God is God — cannot be more cannot be less.
(James 1:17)Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
The Greek word used is ‘parallage’̄ which means transmutation or change.
mutation
mu·ta·tion [myoo táysh’n]
(plural mu·ta·tions)
noun
1.change in genetic material: a random change in a gene or chromosome resulting in a new trait or characteristic that can be inherited. Mutation can be a source of beneficial genetic variation, or it can be neutral or harmful in effect.
2.biology Same as mutantn (sense 1)
3.alteration: the action or process of changing something or of being changed
4.linguistics Same as umlautn (sense 1)
5.phonetics phonetic change: a phonetic change found in Celtic languages in which the initial consonant of a word changes according to the preceding word
-mu·ta·tion·al, adjective
-mu·ta·tion·al·ly, adverb
Scientifically crystal is the perfect or last state of some materials. The perfect or the last state of sand is glass. The perfect or the last state of carbon is diamond. God is the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the end, the First and the Last.
(REVELATION 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Of course, this does not mean that God is a letter or letters. The term used is for people to know that God is the Beginning of everything that exist. He is the first because He is the originator of everything. He is the end and the last because everything will finally be subjected to Him.
(I CORINTHIANS 15:24-27)Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him,it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
He is a perfect being and cannot be perfected.
(MATTHEW 5:48)Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
He did not attain perfection as the Mormons claimed.
God has always been Himself and will always be himself in His perfect state of being.
(EXODUS 3:14)And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
It follows therefore biblically speaking that there are so many things impossible to happen with God. It is impossible for Him to lie because He is in the perfect state of truth – the absolute truth.
(TITUS 1:2)In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began…
(HEBREWS 6:18)That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
It is impossible for Him to change because perfection is the last reasonable state of change. It is impossible for Him to deny himself because He is the absolute state of existence.
(II TIMOTHY 2:13)If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
(I TIMOTHY 6:16)Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.
There are realities which up to now are unfathomable by the wisdom of men. Even the greatest of human intellect cannot fully comprehend the diverse mysteries of a whole universe of everything that exist. Such awesome wonders bespeaks of God’s eternal power and Godhead.
(THE ROMANS 1:19-20)Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
If the things created cannot fully be understood it is but wise to conclude that the Creator cannot be fully known by His creation including men nor even angels.
(THE ACTS 17:24)God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands…
(JOB 4:18)Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly…
(ISAIAH 42:8)I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
It is idiotic to attribute to God anything that is a product of human comprehension and understanding.
(THE ROMANS 11:34)For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor?
In fact, the Bible admonishes us not to think of anything more than we ought to think, especially about the being of God.
(THE ROMANS 12:3)For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
To think and to conclude that God can do everything constitutes an insult and blasphemy unto the unfathomable majesty of the Most High. As it is unwise to put limits to Him, it is equally unwise to put elasticity to the limits set by God for Himself. We know that He cannot lie because He revealed it through His written words in the Bible. He cannot change himself; He cannot deny himself and so on. To say and make others believe that God can do anything or everything will be an insult and blasphemy against God. Will it be possible for Him to connive with satan?
(II CORINTHIANS 6:14)Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Is it possible for him to be an author of confusion? I Corinthians 14:33…..
(I CORINTHIANS 14:33)For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Is it possible for Him to commit injustice? Is it possible for Him to forsake the widows and the orphans?
(PSALMS 68:4) Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
(PSALMS 68:5)A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows,is God in his holy habitation.
Is it possible for Him to forget or neglect his children?
(ISAIAH 49:15)Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
Is it possible for Him to betray the trust of His children?
(I CORINTHIANS 1:9) God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
The verses cited after each question prove that there are many things which are impossible to God. I pray for your enlightenment.
Sincerely in Christ,
EFS
AMEN! to that.., God will never broke his Promise to us..
And this is the promise which he promised us, even the life eternal.
I John 2:25
will never broke his Promise ..
“To those who believe him and do his will”
for God is not unrighteous to forget your work and the love which ye showed toward his name, in that ye ministered unto the saints, and still do minister.
Hebrews 6:10
Isang Tulog Nalang…!!!
HAPPY INTERNATIONAL THANKS GIVING..!
Cant wait !!!
A great follow up to the article that was posted ages ago.
Thanks be to God!
There are people who have difficulty in accepting the truth. Perhaps they are blinded by their own religion and their religious beliefs. Bro. Eli is the first preacher who dared say this to us, but then the essence is pretty much good. And the logic behind is great.
Would we want a God who can possibly lie to us?
Would we want a God who can betray the trust of His children?
Dont we want a God whom we can rely on undoubtedly?
Many people are not just ready “yet” to accept. The concept is new like the one Bro. Eli taught us before that God is NOT everywhere. Many people cant digest easily. Well they will come to the truth, God willing, if they really are truth-seekers. Holy Spirit will guide their hearts.
It still remains that our God is very much compassionate, with endless love and justice.
And we have Bro. Eli and Bro. Daniel who, in their best, are teaching us to walk in perfection.
ILANG ORAS NA LANG BYAHENG APALIT NA!!
Happy pasalamat sa lahat ng kapatid sa buong mundo!!
Salamat sa Diyos sa mga biyaya.. (ang biyaya na napakalalim ng kahulugan).. ang biyaya, ang mga kaloob ng Dios na hindi masayod!!
Happy pasalamat Bro. Eli!!
In the same way there are many people who inappropriately use the word blasphemy. If one is a genuine Christian, he should be prudent in judging or calling fellow believers in Jesus Christ as blasphemous. Today, there are thousands of people who feel that they have no more hope of salvation because they claim to have commited the sin of blasphemy. The word blasphemy is properly applied in Mat 12:31-32. First, v. 31 speaks of the source of this blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In the original language of the New Testament which is written in Greek, there is no word “holy”.This blasphemy comes from “…the spirit”. Further, the construction of the verse in the Greek is “…tou pneumatos.” This could be translated “blasphemy from the spirit”. Thus we could interpret this as blasphemy coming from “the spirit” which is Satan. The correct interpretation then, is that this blasphemy comes from Satan which is the denial of the deity of Jesus Christ. Second, the main reason why the Holy Spirit empowered the Lord Jesus to perform signs and miracles was to convince the Jewish people of the deity of Jesus Christ. And we know from the rest of the New Testament that there is only one sin which cannot be forgiven and that is not to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. But as long as one is still here on earth, he still can be forgiven, unless he resolutely decides to reject Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour permanently.
The statement “With God all things are possible” mentioned in Matt 19:26 and Mark 10:27
should be understood in its proper context, setting, background, circumstances, situation, framework, milieu (formal), environment, perspective and not as a single verse which is more often than not, misinterpreted, misunderstood, mistaken, misread and taken the wrong way. The context of these 2 chapters specifically is concerned about the salvation of a rich man. What is emphasized in this context, is the danger of the rich young ruler who is trusting in his riches or wealth to enter into the kingdom of God. See v. 24. A person may outwardly be law-abiding, but if in his heart he is trusting in his possessions to receive salvation, he still is unsaved. Material riches oftentimes blind a person to his spiritual bankruptcy. While material possessions make it difficult for a rich man to be saved, yet with God, nothing is impossible if a person repents of his sins and believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. This passage does not teach that no rich man can enter the kingdom of God. While it is difficult for them because they are beholden to their riches, yet nothing is impossible with God when it comes to our salvation.
If we build our Theology on a phrase alone ” NOT EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH GOD” we will end up pigeonholing our god and describing his attributes with a human philosophical view. Bible verse cutting may lead some unsaved people to the peril, threat and risk of committing suicide because they think it is biblical because they claimed it is mentioned in Matt 27:5, “Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.” NKJV
M, what do you mean article posted ages ago? 🙂
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To GOD be all the GLORY!!!!
Amen!
Thanks be to God for another enlightening article.
May God continue to bless us with His words through His messenger.
Happy Thanksgiving to all brethren!
Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gifts!
AMEN!
IT IS INDEED IMPOSSIBLE FOR God (being absolute & perfect) TO BECOME IMPERFECT!
GOD cannot CONTRADICT/DENY HIMSELF!
further attempts by anyone who thinks he/she has some logically sound arguments that ABSOLUTE POWER OR OMNIPOTENCE is unreconcilable and unacceptable within the bound oh HUMAN LOGIC and STANDARDS … are ALL FUTILE !
THIS BIBLICAL FACT is not subjective! Nor it’s a delimiting attribution to the OMNIPOTENT GOD.
It’s just that, HUMAN LOGIC is LIMITED to comprehend fully the unfathomable majesty of GOD.
If you are to believe that an OMNIPOTENT GOD CANNOT LIE, it does not technically mean ‘GOD is limited’ .. but rather, it magnifies the truth that …. GOD IS ABSOLUTE & PERFECT without blemish!
Is there anyone out there still wants to dare and refute these biblical statements laid by Bro. Eli Soriano???
o common’, give your best shot!
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ALL I can say is God is “LOVE”
And we know and have believed the love which God hath in us. God is love; and he that abideth in love abideth in God, and God abideth in him.
I John 4:16
FoR God is good; his lovingkindness endureth for ever, And his faithfulness unto all generations.
Psalms 100:5
So We Must Love & SERVE hIM unTil ETERNAL LIFE!
But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love.
I Corinthians 13:13
thanks be to God for bro. Eli!
to God be all the glory now and forever!
if the bible said ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE with GOD(luke 1:32), then god CAN contradict himself because if he CANNOT contradict himself, then the bible contradicted ITSELF.
and if god can’t CONTRADICT HIMSELF, then he is bound by HUMAN LOGIC. therefore HUMAN LOGIC is above god
sorry, it’s not luke 1:35, it’s in matthew 19.26
Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” —Matthew 19:26
P.S.
it’s also in luke 1:37
luke 1:37
For with God nothing shall be impossible.
consider the word WITH.
I am more blessed hearing people commenting upon the truth of God in the life Kapatid na Eli., ‘indeed his sincere words secure my life and have taking me into an acceleration wherein brethren are striving to be rigtheous., Icor 1: 1-2
that’s very true…
‘am very proud to be a christian and a partaker of God’s
promised.
thank be to God
I’ve been patiently waiting and I’ll say Amen.
and I thank God for a brother eli
Thanks be to God.
Amen
To Logician,
Are you really a logician?
“For with God nothing shall be impossible”
ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE with GOD,
then god CAN contradict himself because if he CANNOT contradict himself, then the bible contradicted ITSELF.
and if god can’t CONTRADICT HIMSELF, then he is bound by HUMAN LOGIC. therefore HUMAN LOGIC is above god.
Are you asking logician or you’re telling us that there is a contradiction.
It is undoubtedly that there is a contradiction between you and what Bro Eli’s article.
It is very obvious Logician.
Can’t you see Logician?
It is a contradiction for you Logician.
Of course it will be illogical for you to understand, because it said here:
Mar 4:12
(12) so that seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Mat 19:26
(26) But Jesus looked on them and said to them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
“With men this is impossible” —- what is impossible to men is NOT impossible for God!!!!
Let me ask you this…logician,
Is it impossible for men to lie? NO
NO!!! Because to lie is not impossible for us to do, so this is not what God meant when he said this.
For ALL impossible for men, is “not” ALL impossible for God. Like everything that men cannot do, those are the ones that God can do. It is very clear said here that “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible”.
What are all things are possible to God? For “all” those things impossible for men to do are “all” not impossible for God to do!!! Those are “all” things are possible to God!!!! —-did you get it Logician.
Same as Luk 1:37
If you walk with God, everything is possible. Because all of those things are impossible for us to do is not impossible for God to do. So, try to start walking with God’s now.
Mar 4:12 Upang kung magsitingin sila’y mangakakita, at huwag mamalas; at kung mangakinig sila’y mangakarinig, at huwag mangakaunawa; “baka sakaling sila’y mangagbalikloob, at patawarin sila”.
Please, do not use logician name if does’nt fit at all. I’m not trying to insult you, but it just an advised.
To God be all the Glory
It is not that Bro Eli is limiting the power and majesty of God, but it is by God’s own desire that He can not just do everything. Bro Eli is right and is merely repeating God’s own prerogative that HE can not lie, nor be ‘variable’ or changeable, nor do other things HE would not. God is the supreme and ultimate power and HE alone knows why HE want it that way. Keep following on Bro Eli’s preaching of the biblical TRUTH and we might be lucky enough to grasp and understand the many mysteries in the words of GOD as explained by the Most Sensible and Courageous Preacher of all times, Bro Eli.
I dont know if i am right, I pray that Bro Eli will correct me. LOVE is the answer why GOD limited Himself. Love for man, and to give all men [like you and me] all the chance to change, to repent, and be saved by faith and good works.I have many more things to learn from Bro Eli, Bro Daniel and the many other workers and brethrens of the one and only true church, the MCGI. Glory to God.
Salamat sa Dios sa mga kaloob na di na Masayod.
Salamat sa Dios sa pag sugo niya ng mga mangangaral na katulad nila bro. Eli at bro. Daniel.
Salamat sa Dios. to God be the glory forever and ever Amen!
Duke
What up Paul…I hope your cohortz will rrread this blog and YOU TOO. You’re god CAN LIE but OUR GOD CAN’T. Think of it.
RAZ SAYS:
For ALL impossible for men, is “not” ALL impossible for God. Like everything that men cannot do, those are the ones that God can do. It is very clear said here that “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible”.
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if all things that are IMPOSSIBLE for men are POSSIBLE with god according to your bible, that would contradict the laws of logic. for example:
1. it’s impossible for MEN TO CREATE a SQUARE CIRCLE because the “law of identity” says a SQUARE is NOT a CIRCLE by definition
therefore by your biblical logic, GOD CAN MAKE A SQUARE CIRCLE
2. it’s impossible for men to EXIST and NOT EXIST at the SAME TIME(according to law of non contradiction)
therefore by your biblical logic, GOD CAN EXIST and NOT EXIST at the SAME TIME
in other words god is an illogical entity.
wow! not only we have a LOGICIAN here, a MAGICIAN as well! HE HE HE!
you’re making things illogical here, these are just your own conclusions.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
read again:
Heb 6:18 so that by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us,
the word IMPOSSIBLE is there….unless, of course you don’t believe with St. Paul.
To Logician,
1. ……………………GOD CAN MAKE A SQUARE CIRCLE —
Why not, he is my God, How? I don’t know, like I said, God can do what a men cannot do. Maybe your God (if you have one) cannot do that.
2. it’s impossible for men to EXIST and NOT EXIST at the SAME TIME…….
Who said, you? I could do that in the same time. Do you see me now? No, but I’m exist. Simple as that, just like God created the air that you breathing every seconds. It existing but you don’t see it. You want another one, God is present, but you don’t see God because he is spirit that we cannot see.
John 4:24
(24) God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.
Com’n Logician, you have to come up better than this. Are you really a logician?
RAZ SAYS:
Why not, he is my God, How? I don’t know, like I said, God can do what a men cannot do. Maybe your God (if you have one) cannot do that.
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so god can be ILLOGICAL? because squaring a circle is ILLOGICAL.
maybe he can also make the Bible the QURAN and vice versa
RAZ SAYS:
2. it’s impossible for men to EXIST and NOT EXIST at the SAME TIME……. Who said, you? I could do that in the same time. Do you see me now? No, but I’m exist. Simple as that, just like God created the air that you breathing every seconds. It existing but you don’t see it. You want another one, God is present, but you don’t see God because he is spirit that we cannot see.
John 4:24
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invisibility doesn’t equate to NON EXISTENCE =)
just answer my question:
CAN GOD EXIST and NOT EXIST at the SAME TIME?
or let me rephrase
can god be REAL and NOT REAL at the same time?
kj2 SAYS:
you’re making things illogical here, these are just your own conclusions.
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i’m using LOGIC here my friend.
so god can’t do certain things like CONFUSING PEOPLE(but Kaz says god can make a square circle which will confuse people to distinguish the shapes).
not being ABLE to do ALL THINGS is against his very nature because he’s an ALMIGHTY god according to genesis 17:1
if he’s OMNIPOTENT and NOT OMNIPOTENT at the same time, then he’s a contradiction
a contradiction can never exist in reality , my friend
to logician (kuno),
it is clearly stated in (HEBREWS 6:18) That by two immutable things, in which it was IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
THEREFORE, if you don’t believe in this verse which was stated by ST. PAUL , your GOD (that is if you have one) can’t and will not save you. y, he might be lying.
your reasoning doesn’t have a LOGIC at all. and my question to you is that, WHY DID YOU CALL YOURSELF LOGICIAN. it doesn’t fit, as what raz told.
The God of the bible gave you brain and senses so you could see the truth. Use your MIND ( it exist but can’t be seen) so you could understand the word LOGIC.
May the GOD of Bro. Eli , the GOD of MCGI have mercy on you.
keep searching, God is full of mercy.
TO SOMEONE NAMED “LOGICIAN”:
hey, why didn’t you joined us earlier in EDEBATE while we’re still discussing this? … or it’s just that you’ve been an old-time arguer who recently changed again his pseudonym to regain a new identity, huh?
whichever the case, your mental skill is obviously refutable, mr. logician. if you’re not cognizant of that, don’t worry, i’ll show it in your face, later.
but for now, let me just test how skillful you are using your “human logic” in which you claim to be above god.
let me see how smart you are. if you’re logic can’t answer this simple challenge, just tell me you give up, and i’ll show you how lame your logic is, and i’ll teach you what you don’t know about HUMAN LOGIC and BEYOND THAT.
all you need is some paper to draw on, a pen, and some HUMAN LOGIC, ok.
just look at this image below. then draw a copy of it without lifting the tip of your pen and/or crossing again previously drawn lines.
it’s really simple. when you’re done, upload you’re answer as an image file post it here, demonstrating your solution.
A BIG AMEN to this Post and to this Blog!!!
To Bro. Eli
The Heavensent, the Singular Sensible Preacher
Please comment to the articles posted by this website:
http://www.bibletruthkeys.com/where_are_the_dead.htm
on the question WHERE ARE THE DEAD? There are varied views presented, from the Catholics, Protestants, Heatens, Hindus, Buddhists and the views of the website forerunners. As I read it, the facts and biblical quotations they presented are impractical, confusing andirrelevant and digressing to the line of Truths that the Bible are showing us through your instrumentation.
Another thing is that, I visited the websites of Bro. Tim Kurek and I have read there his posted blogs and I found it huhm… (no words to say…) Bro Eli, please comment on them (the posted blogs of Bro. Tim since he is inviting all of us to visit his website and post our comments there.
Anent to these,I was so thankful to God for his unfathomable and unspeakable gifts to all of us through your preachings Bro. Eli. You know what, (correct me if I’m wrong) evrytime I commited sins against God, Ijust visit your websites and your blog and I will just look at your posted photos and your short inspirational talks about your deepest deisre to go to the Heaven of heavens, just even to the humblest part of it like the John or RESTROOM if there’s like that in Paradise, I was moved to repentance and prayers. You’re always been the INSPIRATION OF THE ENTIRE BRETHREN!!!
Thanks be to GOD for all his UNFATHOMABLE and UNSPEAKABLE GIFTS..!
To GOD be all the Glories, Honors, and Powers forever and ever…Amen.!
X-ian (—x- christian -x—)
logician,
kindly answer this question:
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE?
To Logician,
“can god be REAL and NOT REAL at the same time?”
Of course he could do that if he wants to, but only if he can lie. Remember, God cannot lie. God can do anything and everything he wants, BUT ONLY IF HE CAN LIE IN “THE SAME TIME”.
Let me ask you. Do you believe in God, do you believe in the Bible?
Are you belong to this group of Atheism.
To Alankaraf 27
Bro. Mr. Logician (kuno ulit), has god… and it is in John 8:44
Ho hummm… to Logician.
Anyway, another best material to print to be shared to a kumpare who is a born again who believe that God can do everything.
Thanks be to God! We missed you Bro. Eli!
to logician,
Maybe what you are saying is that your god is below human logic not our GOD(for your sake). for who knows who your god is? maybe it is your belly or your pride or your own logic.
Let me share you something that your fleshy brain can understand: do you know why God can’t contradict himself? the certain answer to this question is something i do not know, but as far as my mind can reach to logically(humanly) explain this is because God is Almighty. God is superior when it comes to words, works, and way of thinking, compared to a man. Being Almighty that He is, God surely utters words, or does things in certainty: meaning nothing needs to be undone. Also, same as lying, contradicting yourself humanely is a weakness. Never can a man in a normal state of mind commit a lie unless it is out of weakness, fear or deceit. It is an iability to accept the truth as it is that pushes a person to lie. satan cannot accept the fact that he can never be in the same level as our God, so he lied and tell to himself that he’ll put himself equal to God. satan knows that it is a fact and this statement is never an aspiration, but a lie simply put. Same thing goes with contradicting yourself. It is out of an error of your previous statement maybe due to lack of understanding or arrogance. Did you notice how satan’s statement, that he will be like our God is a contradiction to his own?
Now, simply put. God cannot contradict Himself and He cannot lie simply because He is Almighty. Lying and contradicting yourself is a weakness. Composing yourself well and saying things right the first time is might! Accepting the truth and living by it is also might! Be guided, i speak in the knowledge of a man. Biblical explanation is already posted above. Posted by no other than Bro. Eli Soriano.
And please… your square and circle logic is so lame. calling something that is perfectly upright having all 4 sides of equal lengths a square is just a human’s way of identifying something so that when he sees something of the same shape instead of calling it “a thing that has 4 equal sides and is upright” he’ll call it a “square” instead or “parisukat” in Filipino. If God made a shape far too complex for your eyes to comprehend and call it a “square circle”? What do you think will happen to your poor arguement? tsk tsk tsk.
Don’t insult human logic with your own way of thinking. instead of branding it “human logic” rename it as “logician’s logic” that way you’ll only drag your name and the other logician’s out there, because we’re all humans here. Though unlike you, some people choose the Bible as the pillar of their logic, ok? Peace!
to logician allegedly,
once again, you have displayed your ignorance. people like you and born against are fond of taking verses out of context.
Please read carefully before you display your foolishness about the Bible.
In Matthew 19:26 by reading the whole context, it explains plainly that it is impossible for a rich man alone to enter the kingdom of God. But to God nothing is impossible for letting man to enter in His Kingdom.
In Luke 1:37 , again by reading the whole context, it plainly explain that for woman alone to bear a child in her old age is very much impossible. but with God to let an old woman bear a child is very much possible.
please do not display your illogical mind here.
otherwise, submit your own understanding to God first.
and please learn how to read. ok
to rhina,
i don’t agree when you said “but it is by God’s own desire that He can not just do everything” and “GOD limited Himself” because your statement implies that God can lie if he desires to or he can if he wants to. I belive that this is not bro. eli is teaching us. God is a God who cannot lie NOT because he wants to, but it is plainly said that it is impossible for him to do so and it is his nature. thats what makes our God different from the god of the inc who can lie if he wants to. may we be enlightened by God through Bro Eli.
thanks be to God
I think Mr. Logician is wise as a serpent, IOW, He is truly sensible! so to say otherwise is illogical!
the great fool taught his foolish fellow: “God is the source or Father of all wisdom, power and might but he Himself is not Omnipotent & Omnipresent then the wise says to the fool, “you are truly illogical oh vain man”!
By keen observation, Logic tells me that Mr. logician is logical enough!
To say that God is the fountain of wisdom and yet claiming that this God is not omniscient is illogical. Whoever proclaim it, is a great fool.
to thinker,
well,like the saying goes…
you can change and change your “NAME”…
but your “LOGIC” will remain the same…
FEEL ME?…
-By keen observation, Logic tells me that Mr. logician is logical enough!
huh?! logic tells you?! wow, man, heavy! logic? by citing verses which were out of context just to take cheap shots at bro. eli.
mr. logician is indeed a serpent as you said……reminds me of mr. guile who hates st. paul very much!
to logician/ thinker,
you sited this verses earlier…
**And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men “this” is impossible: but with God all things are “possible”.
Matthew 19:26
**For with God nothing shall be impossible.Luke 1:37
question;
1)On Matthew 19:26,what was Jesus and his deciples talking on that “scenario” that was mentioned by Christ to be “possible” to God?
I can easily tell when someone was a “keen reader” of the Bible or nothing but just a “rumor mongerer”…
you know How?
On Luke 1:37,the verse translations says…
Because no “word” shall be impossible with God.
Luke 1:37
For no “word” from God shall be void of power.
Luke 1:37
on Luke 1:37,It simply “MAGNIFIES” what the “word” of God can do.
A “keen reader” looks to the “real meaning” while the “rumor mongerer” just looks for what seems to be “contradictions” and “twist” it to be more “realistic” and whala!!!…MAGIC!!!
brought to you by…
the great “illusionist” himself…”logician”!!!
and his sidekick… the “thinker” of rumors!!!
clap,clap and one more lousy….clap.
then comes another of your “UNTHINKABLE LOGIC”…
you said…
“and if god can’t CONTRADICT HIMSELF, then he is bound by HUMAN LOGIC. therefore HUMAN LOGIC is above god”
ans.
God don’t contradict himself it’s because HE is true to HIS word.
(HEBREWS 6:18) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to “lie”, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
(TITUS 1:2) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot “lie”, promised before the world began…
you cannot apply “HUMAN LOGIC” to God simply because HE is not “HUMAN”.
HUMANS err,HUMANS lie…
HUMANS are bound by GODs LAWS…
GOD is not bound by HUMAN LAWS…
ps:
don’t forget to answer my questions.
i came across these verses which seem to contradict hebrews 6:18
1 Kings 22:23
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
2 Chronicles 18:22
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
GOD is a serious God. That’s why one thing God can’t do is to make a trick.
Be not tricked; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a man puts in, that will he get back as grain.
Galatians 6:7
Bible in Basic English
To Pathfinder & JSA
If it is impossible for God to LIE, then it is also impossible for his chosen vessel to LIE, right?
But Paul lied to the apostles regarding the Jerusalem meeting, he lied in front of sanhendrin and to King Agrippa. Are you aware about that ?
That’s why others labelled him a Liar, but of course he denied that he lied to the point of taking an oath, or using God as his witness which is in contradiction to the teachings of the Lord.
JSA and Pathfinder, if you are wise enough or fully awake, you’ll notice this simple facts in the Bible. But Nay, thus both of you are blind donkeys in the oil press.
TO EBIONITES:
don’t tell me, you’re one of the followers of the infamous William’s Theories of Faith (WTF-ism) who rejects Apostle Paul? are you?
now, before dealing with your question accordingly, let me clear things straight first, correct me if i’ve misread your post.
you believe that –
(1) IT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOUR GOD TO LIE.
(2) IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE FOR PAUL TO LIE.
(3) PAUL IS A CHOSEN VESSEL OF GOD.
(4) PAUL IS A PROVEN LIAR.
did I got you right?
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since you claim that these are “simple facts in the Bible”, can’t you even make a simple reference to the biblical verses to support your statement? you can simple put it in this common
notation BOOKTITLE + CHAPTER# : VERSE#.
now, about your argument, questioning the truthfulness that GOD CANNOT LIE (Titus 1:2) saying :
If it is impossible for God to LIE, then it is also impossible for his chosen vessel to LIE, right?
…. and I say, it’s a puny proposition, you’ve composed there!
why did I say that?
because your conditional query is a against the very verses of the Holy Bible that a lot of commenters have used here, that I’m afraid are still dubious to some of you.
we can clearly read the biblical verse saying the exact words “GOD CANNOT LIE”, but we cannot outrightly can cite a verse that say “CHOSEN VESSEL OF GOD CANNOT AND IMPOSSIBLE TO LIE, EITHER” …. the attribution stated in Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18 magnifies the power of GOD, compared to man, in which no faithful Christian should contend.
Paul is not reprehensible by you nor by me in things he say and do. Because he is a chosen vessel of God (Acts 9:15) and KNOWS NOTHING AGAINST HIMSELF (1 Cor. 4:4)! (contrary to what you are trying to derive at that he’s full of contradictions and must be rejected.)
Though you claim you have the ability to notice simple facts n the Bible; yet you are doubtful of Paul’s authority as a TRUSTHWORTHY MINISTER and SERVANT OF CHRIST (1 Cor. 4).
That’s why I pity people like you who hates a chosen vessel of God, like Paul, but can still manage believing they are Christians and servants of God. (*sigh*)
Don’t be too hard fooling yourselves, because it’s not healthy, OK.
Mr. JSA,
FYI, the issue about Paul of tarsus is not an interpretation but a reality in the first century. What we are doing right now is remembering.
He said:
” I SAW THAT THEY WALK NOT UPRIGHTLY ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL.” (Galatian 2:14)
“BUT FROM THOSE WHO WERE REFUTED TO BE IMPORTANT WHATEVER THEY WERE IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME….WHO WERE RESPECTED IMPARTED NOTHING TO ME…………(NOTHING TO ME!!!!!……… NOTHING TO ME!!!!!) (Gal. 2:6)
JSA, WHO were those REPUTED to be important? Well, it refers to the Disciples whether you believe it or not.And their authority came from having been chosen by Jesus, such as James the Lord’s brother,Simon Peter (Cephas)-Son of Jonah, and John son of Zebedee. Here again, whether you like it or not prove that Paul has little regard for the Apostles.
In another occasion he said:
“For if SOMEONE comes to you and PREACHES, a JESUS OTHER THAN THE JESUS WE PREACHED, or if you recievea different spirit from the one you received, or a DIFFERENT GOSPEL from the one you accepted. you put up with it easily enought, BUT I DO NOT THINK I AM IN THE LEAST INFERIOR TO TO THOSE SUPER-APOSTLES” ( II Cor. 11:4-5)
JSA, Here again he is comparing, He is in conflict with the direct apostles, He is criticizing the disciples of Jesus.
If Paul was truly a chosen vessel of Jesus, he will not debased those apostles whom *Jesus hath chosen.
*chosen by the FATHER.
I pity you Mr. JSA, you are following the wrong path!
William was right when he said: “you are ignorant of your own ignorance”
For JSA :
The LIE
L1: Paul lied regarding those agreements met or the requirements to be given to the Gentiles. Paul said: “ They asked only one thing, that we remember the poor?”
But during their meeting as recorded in Acts there were 4 other requirements repeated 3 times and James said: here in ACTS you can see how he lied to the Gentiles
“Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” ( Acts 15:19-21)
“…For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these,
you will do well. Farewell.” ( Acts 15:28,29 )
“But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” (Acts 21:25 )
L2: He lied before the Sanhedrin let me quote:
“ But when Paul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, “Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee; concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead I am being judged!” And when he had said this, a dissension arose between the Pharisees and the Sadducees; and the assembly was divided.” Acts 23:6,7
JSA, concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead he was being judged? Well let us see if that was the reason, the truth concerning why he was arrested is recorded a little earlier in Acts. Let me quote:
…….the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place…” Acts 21:27,28
So he was arrested because of bringing to nothing the importance of Israel, the Law of Moses, and the temple.
L3: The other one is to King Agrippa Let me quote once again:
And as he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,
It is hard for you to kick against the goads.” So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?” And the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.” (ACTS 9:3-19)
“Now it happened, as I journeyed and came near Damascus at about noon, suddenly a great light from heaven shone around me. And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’ So I answered, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And he said to me, ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, Whom you are persecuting.’ …So I said, ‘What shall I do, Lord?’ And the Lord said to me, ‘Arise and go into Damascus, and there you will be told all things
which are appointed for you to do.’ ( ACTS 22:6-15)
“While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ So I said, ‘Who are You , Lord?’ And he said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the
things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open
their eyes and to turn them from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Therefore, King
Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision…” (ACTS 26:12-19)
Mr. JSA, in ACTS chapter 9 & 22 There were only minor contradiction the former “heard a voice but saw no man” while the latter “heard no voice but saw light”. But the worst of all was when he was talking to King Agrippa he Lied and fabricated many things coz in ACTS 9 and 22 when he asked Jesus what to do he was told to do absolutely
nothing other than to go to Damascus (“and there you would be told “all things” you were to do! “) So he added something! in front of King Agrippa Why?
Paul said:
“I say the truth IN CHRIST , and do not LIE” (Romans 9:1)
“I speak the truth IN CHRIST, and LIE not,” (1 Timothy 2:7).
“BEFORE GOD, I do not LIE,” (Galatians 1:20)
But Jesus told him:
DO NOT SWEAR PAUL at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God . . . Let what you say be simply yes or no; anything more than this comes from evil “
(Matthew 5:34-37)
I pity you JSA for you are in the wrong path!
To JSA
KNOWS NOTHING AGAINST HIMSELF (1 Cor. 4:4)! (contrary to what you are trying to derive at that he’s full of contradictions and must be rejected.)
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Mr. JSA, beware of his mouth, His mouth is full of blessing and cursing! His words cannot be trusted!
TO EBIONITES,
It is “IMPOSSIBLE” for GOD to “LIE”…
It is “POSSIBLE” for his “CHOSEN VESSELS” to “LIE”…
WHY?
GOD is GOD,HE is answerable to nobody.
His “CHOSEN VESSELS” are “HUMANS”,and humans “LIE”.
Your CONCLUSION was just a PRODUCT of your MALICIOUS and CORRUPTED imagination…
And why are you so particular about “PAUL”?How about “PETER”?or the other “APOSTLES”?DON’T THEY “LIE”?
HOW ABOUT “YOU”?…DON’T YOU LIE?
God forbid: yea, let God be found TRUE, but every man a LIAR…
The Romans 3:4
Have you looked at the mirror lately…
can you say STRAIGHT to your FACE that,”I,EBIONITES,have not “LIED” in my entire life!!!…”
If “PAUL” was a false preacher…
*When the people of Lycaonia thought of them as GODS,(
The Acts 14:11-15)
PAUL should have said,”YES!!!I AM HE!!!BOW BEFORE ME AND WORSHIP ME!!!(like those preachers today,even saying that HE was CHRIST!)
** why would “PETER” then “acknowlege” PAULS wisdom?
and account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you;
II Peter 3:15
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
II Peter 3:16
**Well,as like what PETER said,”PAUL’s writings are hard to understood(even for himself)which the “IGNORANTS” and “UNSTEADFAST” wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their OWN DESTRUCTION…
So ebonites,if you are “WISE” enough or fully “AWARE”,you’ll notice this “SIMPLE FACTS” in the Bible.But nay,YOU are just a “BLIND DONKEY” who’s “PRETENDING” to be “WISE” and “UNAWARE” that you are the “ONE” in the oil press…
For me nothing is complicated when you believe…. I’m here in the Church of God with Bro. Eli as the preacher…. I listen to him because I strongly believe and my faith in God tells me so that he is indeed the preacher of our loving GOD.
I have no doubt when reading the bible…. I have no doubt when listening to Bro. Eli… all my questions in mind and in heart, I know in time God will answer them thru Bro. Eli… because I believe that all coming from Him is good… for us… because He loves us so much….
THANK YOU GOD, VERY MUCH! TO GOD BE THE GLORY!
To Pathfinder,
I pity you also like my feeilngs for Mr. JSA!, but I hope both of you will find the right Path someday! It’s never too late! FYI, The apostles are solid, they are intact, nowhere can you find in NT that real apostle debased each other. Of course, they are also accused of lying but nowhere in the NT can you find any evidence that they lied in the name of TRUTH, but Paul did, even to the point of contradicting and disobeying Jesus.
You said: why would “PETER” then “acknowlege” PAULS wisdom?
reply: Here, you are truly a blind donkey in the oil press, Why? allow me to explain it once again which was already revealed in this forum by william & his angels of light. II Peter 3:15-16, is specifically designed by the paulinist to give Paul an honored place or position that he may not in fact have enjoyed if we will critically examine his epistles. “A man whose understanding is deep, hard even for the great apostle Peter to understand” ? How come? Is it not written that Jesus promised the holy spirit to his apostles before he left them? This verse was inserted by your kind to present Paul as being fully accepted in the fellowship of the apostles.
And btw, how can he be commended by someone whom he debased in Public? whom he accused of “not walking uprightly in the truth of the gospel? or a man who’s reputed to be important but NOTHING to him? whom he accused of laziness by not laboring more abundantly than him?
Consider the ff:
Mr. Pathfinder, Im just wondering, why your kind always bind the direct apostle Peter to PAUL? If you are just familiar with the accounts of Peter in Clementine homilies and recognition about Paul there will be no problem.
Anyway, Let me give you Mr. P1 & P2 to help you understand the fault in your understanding.
P1: I SAW THAT THEY WALK NOT UPRIGHTLY ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL. (Galatian 2:14)
P2: “BUT FROM THOSE WHO WERE REFUTED TO BE IMPORTANT WHATEVER THEY WERE IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME….WHO WERE RESPECTED IMPARTED NOTHING TO ME…………(NOTHING TO ME!!!!!……… NOTHING TO ME!!!!!) (Gal. 2:6)
Granting w/o accepting Paul was right , that APOSTLES are indeed BLIND, MISGUIDED, AND NOTHING TO HIM, then what’ll be the implication? well, it will simply lead lang naman to the following scenario: Their endorsement of Paul cannot be trusted or of NO VALUE! why, because those that endorsed him were ALL MISGUIDED and BLIND, because they are unable to see truth of the gospel as he claim.
So I think Mr. Pathfinder, it is a must for you first to convince paul that his assertion (P1 & P2) are just malicious and baseless. Once you convince him of his errors then that’s the time that your message will become sensical. Failure to convince him will lead you in a very unconvincing situation – a believer who understand not his very own arguments!
You are truly a blind donkey!
To: 46 Ebionites
46 Ebionites said this:
1. Paul said:
“I say the truth IN CHRIST , and do not LIE” (Romans 9:1)
“I speak the truth IN CHRIST, and LIE not,” (1 Timothy 2:7).
“BEFORE GOD, I do not LIE,” (Galatians 1:20)
But Jesus told him:
DO NOT SWEAR PAUL at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God . . . Let what you say be simply yes or no; anything more than this comes from evil “
(Matthew 5:34-37)
My reply:
Don’t get tricky with this Ebionites, he is not ONLY a blind but he is also a FOOL. SORRY TO SAY THIS, BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT, and please stop misleading the readers. You can ask first instead of accusing anyone in here specially Paul as a liar. Maybe your leader is a liar.
If you read the verse just before Matthew 5:34-37:
Matthew 5:33 MKJV
(33) Again, you have heard that it has been said to the ancients, “You shall not swear falsely, but you shall perform your oaths to the Lord.”
If there is a falsely swearing, there is a swearing the truth. It is very clear here that Jesus talking about those are falsely swearing. Jesus did not say “Matthew 5:33–You shall not swear” and just stop there. You have to know the root or the cause of this verse Matthew 5:34 why Jesus said that you are not suppose to swear at all.
This is before Paul was been a chosen for gentiles and this is not about swearing the truth, This Matthew 5:34-37 is about swearing falsely.
Matthew 5:34
(34) But I say to you, Do not swear at all!
Of WHAT? —>>>>> Of ALL FALSELY SWEARING!!!!!!!
Matthew 5:33
(33) ………………………………………………………………., “You shall not swear falsely, but you shall perform your oaths to the Lord.”
And just to prove that Paul’s word is superior:
Ephesians 2:12-22
(12) and that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.
(13) But now in Christ Jesus you who were once afar off are made near by the blood of Christ.
(14) For He is our peace, He making us both one, and He has broken down the middle wall of partition between us,
Why would Paul change this teaching just for the Gentiles? Let us Paul answer this question for you.
(15) having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, making peace between them;
(16) and SO THAT HE MIGHT RECONCILE BOTH to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity in Himself.
(17) And HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO “YOU” (who? Jesus, through to Paul’s teachings) who were afar off, and to those who were near.
(18) For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
(19) Now therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
(20) and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
(21) in whom every building having been fitly framed together, grows into a holy sanctuary in the Lord;
(22) in whom you also are built together for a dwelling place of God through the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity (the Law of commandments contained in ordinances)
Why do you think Paul is talking about the “Law of commandments contained in ordinances” have been abolished.
Paul’s word is superior!!!!!!!
Just to help you see that his word is superior.
1 Corinthians 14:37
(37) If anyone thinks to be a prophet, or a spiritual one, let him recognize the things I write to
you, that they are a commandment of the Lord.
And if you are not satisfied with by Paul’s saying these, let see what Jesus said about Paul:
Now, this is very clear here, it is clear than a sunshine daylight that Jesus said “you (Paul)”, talking about one person. “to open their eyes”.
Acts 26:17-18
(17) Delivering “THEE” from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send THEE,
(18) To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Are you considering yourself one of the gentiles?
You just read Acts 26:17-18 –>>>> NOW, WHO WOULD YOU RECOGNISE MORE BETWEEN THE APOSTLES GOSPEL?
P.S.
Mr. Ebionites, <<<<<–<–<– beware of his comment, His words cannot be trusted at all!
sorry Ebionites, I just have to warn the readers.
TO EBIONITE:
You can pity me all you want Mr. Ebionite (if you’ll really do), but you can’t lure me into your hate campaign against Paul.
I have known and understand Paul and his writings more than you think you do. And since you’re an Ebionite, and I’m a Christian, we sure have a lot of differences in views.
But there’s one thing fact you can’t change, your faith has improper fixation to Jewish … and other bunch of heresies more than Christianity.
And I’m practically indifferent to your wild propositions denouncing most of basic teaching of Jesus Christ and his apostles.
… and for you to feel sorry? well, i think i can somehow agree.
EBIONITE = POOR … (am i right?)
i just hope you are well versed in your doctrines (more than your guise here), and you are really circumcised on the 8th day, before you pretend to know a lot about Apostle Paul, who is the most prolific writer in the Christian Era, and a lot who read his books will surely can’t fully comprehend them. (Paul forewarned, but you ignored it … that’s why.)
and if you really think you’re a Jew … try surpassing all Paul’s achievements during his early services as a Jew, before you pursue anything of your boastful dreams, OK.
With full of Love,
JSA 😀
PATHFINDER:
don’t use more than 1% of your acquired ‘knowledge’, to an arguer who rejects more than 14 books of the inspired scriptures. just give them a dose of their own, not too much, ok.
and don’t you ever dare to use “but wait, there’s more” 😀
but if they’ll accept an online debate with voice (voip) with us, they might push me using 2% or 3% of my “lame arguments”.
(*sigh*, these wannabes can’t even get into my skin, and never into my nerves. hehe)
to ebionites,
your “analogy” was…
PAULs a “LIAR”…
He “contradicts” himself…
HE is a “FALSE PREACHER” because he “CONTRADICTS” himself…
and I am to be “PITIED” because I have “SIDED” with a “LIAR”…
Let’s TEST that,shall we…
on this verses…
And he came to his father and said, My father! And he said, Here I am; who are you, my son?
Genesis 27:18
And Jacob said to his father, I am Esau your first-born. I have done as you asked me. Arise, I pray you, sit and eat of my game, that your soul may bless me.
Genesis 27:19
1)Wasn’t it true that JACOB “LIED” to his father?
2)Wasn’t it true that in that “scenario”,he LIED many times(even using GODs NAME) just to convince his father that he was ESAU?
3)Didn’t HE LIED in the name of “TRUTH”?
4)Why would then GOD “BLESS” JACOB after what he have done?
And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be “blessed”. Genesis 28:14
5)Was GOD SIDING with a LIAR?
6)Was GOD contradicting himself?
7)Is GOD a “FALSE GOD” because he “CONTRADICTS” himself?
8)Will you “PITY GOD” because “HE” have “SIDED” with a “LIAR”?
note;I am just following your “ANALOGY”…
Feel free to answer those questions.Let see if you really are “wiser” than paul.
to ebionites,
you said…
“A man whose understanding is deep, hard even for the great apostle Peter to understand” ? How come? Is it not written that Jesus promised the holy spirit to his apostles before he left them?
ans;
How about I say to you that…
I have “PROOF” that even having a “HOLY SPIRIT” doesn’t “GUARANTEE” that a “MAN of GOD” will have “UNDERSTANDING”?
-will you admit that you’re just a “donkey” blinded by your delusions and was just “PRETENDING” to be “WISE” and “UNAWARE” that you are the “ONE” in the oil press?
-will you now show respect and apologize in the name of paul that you have blasphemed on all corners of this blog?
Nothing is impossible to God, yet he cannot do things that contradicts His nature.
to Ebionites
You have no right to quote anything in the books of Paul…your time will come…on the judgement day.
To JSA,
These people who follows “WILLIAMS DOCTRINES” are the same kind of people that “CRITICISED” the person of “CHRIST” himself.
When CHRIST said that HE is the “SON of GOD” these kind of people even “ACCUSED” CHRIST as a “LIAR”,pointing fingers at him for CRIMES he didn’t even commited,even wanting him to be put to “DEATH”.
When PAUL said that HE was “SENT” by CHRIST,the “SON of GOD”,Look how they “ACCUSED” PAUL as a “LIAR”,manipulating HIS WORDS to make it look “CONTRADICTING”…
IF PAUL WAS STILL ALIVE TODAY,THEY WILL BE WANTING HIM TO BE PUT TO DEATH ALSO!!!…
To JSA,
You have no IDEA of the real Paul, most of your notions of him are based only from his mouth written by his pen, and from the Paulinist who adulterated the scriptures.
In history he was not a jew, though he said he was a jew and a pharisee by faith, under the feet of Gamaliel, He was not! He was a liear, He was a GREEK! that is why he has a high affinity to the gentiles.
WHO then were the very FIRST “CHRIST-IANS”?, The Evangelical Pauline Christian? or the EBIONITES? No doubt they were those EVYONIM, – those Ebionitic Gnostics, the PUREST FORM of Primitive Christianity. And who where the Ebinoities? They were the pupils and followers of the early NAZARENES , the Kabbalistic Gnostics.
The Kabbalist were the first to know the UNIVERSAL LOGOS w/ such terms as “Light of Light” the Messenger of LIFE and LIGHT” , “The First Born”, The First and the “ONLY-BEGOTTEN”
There is also NO DOUBT that direct apostles received a “secret doctrine” from JESUS ” (It is given to you to know the mysteries but for others it is not”)
TO EBIONITE (without “S”, unless you’ll claim that you’re not singular but a legion):
you said:
You have no IDEA of the real Paul …
i say:
o really? can you tell me the date you were born or start to exist for you to boast i have NO IDEA (even a slightest bit) of the REAL PAUL, and on the other hand, you seem to KNOW EVERYTHING?
and since when did you make yourself believe that you’re an Ebionite? we’re you really circumcised on the eight day, or not?
if you really want to discuss more of your claims and theories, I’m willing to prove you wrong on a more interactive medium, using VOIP perhaps, or a voice-enabled conference over the internet. Because are responses in this comment area will be lengthy and tedious for others who observes not off-topic matters.
i’ll be generous enough to show a lot of things you don’t know, which you thought you already knew.
and i’m quoting a verse in Paul’s epistle to the Corinthians saying:
“For it is written I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
OK, LET’S START A NEW TOPIC, DEDICATED TO PAUL, SHALL WE BEGIN?
(i’ll be waiting for your confirmation) 😀
To Ebionites:
Ebionites said:
You have no IDEA of the real Paul, most of your notions of him are based only from his mouth written by his pen, and from the Paulinist who adulterated the scriptures.
My reply:
1.) Do you believe with Jesus said these?
2.) Why?
Acts 26:17-18
(17) Delivering “THEE” from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send THEE,
(18) To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
JAM_725, Please do not compare my comments with the doctrines of the inc of manalo as regards this issue. Pardon my choice of words but i would like to mean that “GOD’s desire to have it known ‘that HE can not lie’ written in the bible. Yes you are right IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, no need to add or subtract a word. God Bless, thank you. To logician, if you still value your good logic, I suggest you read the verses before and after MATTHEW 19:26 and LUKE 1:37, and you will get what is being mentioned as NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD. At least it is a good sign that logician and ebonites are reading the bible, please go on doing so but consult with Bro Eli so that you will understand the true message GOD’s want you to know. I will pray for you logician and ebonite and the others with similar thoughts that your continous blogging with Bro Eli will open your eyes to the TRUTH. Go on Bro Eli with your many other discussions about the WORDS of GOD, we might still save many non-believers. GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST.
TO 45 Ebionites said these:
” I SAW THAT THEY WALK NOT UPRIGHTLY ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL.” (Galatian 2:14)
“BUT FROM THOSE WHO WERE REFUTED TO BE IMPORTANT WHATEVER THEY WERE IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME….WHO WERE RESPECTED IMPARTED NOTHING TO ME…………(NOTHING TO ME!!!!!……… NOTHING TO ME!!!!!) (Gal. 2:6)
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My reply: You Ebionites are implying here above that it does not matter if you are Jesus followers or not.
JUST LIKE WHAT QUIEL SAID:
MY EXPLANATIONS HERE ARE SUBJECT TO BRO. ELI’S CORRECTION BECAUSE I WILL NOT CLAIM THAT MY EXPLANATIONS ARE CORRECT UNLESS CONFIRMED BY BRO. ELI BECAUSE HE IS MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN ME REGARDING THESE MATTERS.
*****Let us read earlier than Galatians 2:14******
Galatians 2:11-14
(11) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. WHY IS HE ABOUT TO BE BLAME?
THIS IS WHAT HAPPEN
(12) For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, <<–WHO? PAUL
he withdrew and separated himself, <<–WHO WITHDREW? PETER
fearing them which were of the circumcision.
(13) And the other Jews (INCLUDING PETER)
dissembled likewise with him; <<– WHO IS “HIM”? PAUL
insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
(14) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel,<<– WHO ARE THEY? GENTILES INCLUDING PETER
I said unto PETER before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, <<– THESE ARE THE GENTILES THAT WHO DO NOT BELIEVE WITH JESUS
and not as do the Jews,<>>> “HOW PETER WILL YOU MAKE THE GENTILES DO THE SAME AS THE JEWS?????”
IF PETER NOT DOING WHAT HE SUPPOSE TO DO, HOW CAN HE BE AN EXAMPLE FOR THE UNBELIEVERS?
DID YOU GET IT?
Now, if you just post this without giving the true meaning, you are misleading the readers.
45 Ebionites said these:
” I SAW THAT THEY WALK NOT UPRIGHTLY ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL.” (Galatian 2:14)
“BUT FROM THOSE WHO WERE REFUTED TO BE IMPORTANT WHATEVER THEY WERE IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME….WHO WERE RESPECTED IMPARTED NOTHING TO ME…………(NOTHING TO ME!!!!!……… NOTHING TO ME!!!!!) (Gal. 2:6)
Why Paul said that “NOTHING TO ME”
what is the true meaning of this “NOTHING TO ME”
Galatians 2:1-6 KJVR
(1) Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
(2) And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. PAUL IS CONCERN HERE THAT HIS TEACHING MIGHT END UP FOR NOTHING.
(3) But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
(4) And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
(5) TO WHOM WE GAVE PLACE BY SUBJECTION, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
6) But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth “NO” man’s person:) (WHICH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PAUL?) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
(NOTHING TO PAUL OF WHAT? THOSE GENTILES THAT TRYING TO PUT THEM (JESUS FOLLOWERS) IN PLACE BY SUBJECTION!!!
Galatians 2:5
(5) TO WHOM WE GAVE PLACE BY SUBJECTION, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
IT DOES NOT AFFECTING PAUL, PAUL WILL KEEP CONTINUING HIS TEACHING, PAUL DOES NOT WANT HIS TEACHING THE GOSPEL TO END UP FOR NOTHING, (“NOTHING TO ME”!!) BECAUSE PAUL KNOW’S THAT God accepteth “NO” man’s person: LIKE GENTILES DO)
Galatians 2:6
…………………………… (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth “NO” man’s person:)………..
THAT’S IT! THIS IS THE MEANING OF “NOTHING TO ME!!!”
NOTHING OF WHAT? PAUL DOES NOT GET INFLUENCE FROM THE GENTILES
YOU ARE OUT OF CONTEXT 45 Ebionites! YOU ARE CITING A VERSES AND GIVING A DIFF MEANING OF IT.
pathfinder wrote:
IF PAUL WAS STILL ALIVE TODAY,THEY WILL BE WANTING HIM TO BE PUT TO DEATH ALSO!!!…
i say:
i guess, this people sees a lot of similarities on Bro. Eli Soriano’s way of preaching and on to Apostle Paul’s. No wonder they’re just repeating episodes or past events during the time of early Christians.
and it’s perceptible that opposers of Paul, and Bro. Eli — being Paul-like, are not limited to these JUDAIZERS, either Ebionites, Nazarenes or whatever name they chose to label themselves rather than after the name of Christ, which is simply “CHRISTIANS”.
Paul is CUNNING and WISE, dealing both with believers and non-believers alike, which he HONESTLY accounted in his epistles in a way which even his co-apostle, Peter, affirms that there are things hard to understand in Paul’s writings.
So, it’s natural reaction for skeptics/doubters, to see Paul’s words as TRICKY, VULGAR, and MAVERICK.
to ebionites,
you said…
*the “Ebionitic Gnostics” are the “PUREST FORM” of “Primitive” Christianity…
*the “Kabbalistic Gnostics” were the pupils and followers of the early NAZARENES…
*There is also NO DOUBT that direct apostles received a “secret doctrine” from JESUS ”…
question;
1)what “verse” in the bible say’s that,the “Ebionitic Gnostics” are the “PUREST FORM” of “Primitive” Christianity?
2)Was the “Kabbalistic Gnostics” the “NAME” of your “organisation”?…
If so,Was “that” the “NAME” that CHRIST “instructed” his “apostles”(who received a “secret doctrine” from JESUS”,according to you) to be the “NAME” of the “PUREST FORM” of “Primitive” Christianity?
3)Was the “Kabbalistic Gnostics” the “NAME” called to the “PUREST FORM” of “Primitive” Christianity according to the Bible?
4)you said that the direct apostles received a “secret doctrine” from JESUS and you claim that “YOU”(the “Ebionitic Gnostics”) are the “PUREST FORM” of “Primitive” Christianity…
-what was the “secret doctrine” that was MARK saying to the bretheren on that verse?
-was that “secret doctrine” now “known” to you?
-If so,then you will have no trouble “explaining” to me my questions on my post #55 & #56.
because,as you have said…
Unto “YOU”(Ebionitic Gnostics)…the “PUREST FORM” of “Primitive” Christianity…was given the “mystery” of the “kingdom of God”: but unto them that are without, all things are done in parables:
I’ll be waiting for your ENLIGHTENMENT…
To RAZ,
Raz, alhough your response is faulty & misleading to the true meaning of the narration at least you tried your best (UNLIKE OTHERS) to share your personal insight on the issues at hand.
In that sense, I, personally would like to thank you for the all efforts!
He (Paul), upraids Peter in Public for being double faced, for teaching the Jewish disciples to be circumcized and follow jewish custom on the one hand, yet eating with the Gentiles (which is true Jew would never do) on the other. According to Paul, (We did not hear anything from Peter about that Occasion) , Peter withdraws from the Gentile company when James arrives in Antioch so as not to upset James and the disciples who accompany him. THE UNCOMPROMISING PAUL considers this to be HYPOCRITICAL rather than DIPLOMATIC and lets Peter know about his feelings in PUBLIC. But truly, it is impossible to know what was really going on because in his letters we only have PAUL’s side of the story and ACTS is of little help in building a balanced picture since it was written by a Pauline sympathizer.
But Raz, Take note, Simon the son of Jonah was a good man, (He has no records of any murders) he always acted in a conservative manner. Now, If Peter was being insincere only Peter and God will ever know. And Paul have no right to talked ill of Peter! So whether Paul was right or not, his action was crude, remember this is the man who writes to us about love absolute and humility of Jesus (1 Cor. 13 & Phil 2),
Now let me show you how hypocrite he (PAUL) was let
me quote:
“To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law…” “To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have
become all things t r to Greeks or to the church of God, just as I try to please all men in everything o all men that I might by all means save some.” “Give no offense to Jews o I do”( I Corinthians 9:20-22)
Now when Peter acts the same way, with the same intent, doing exactly what Paul recommended for his congregations, he uses it as an excuse to debase the Apostle in public and to
applaud himself. that’s hypocrisy RAZ!
Raz, you refine a lie as to resemble the truth is a serpentine effort, you misused the word “Nothing to me” as if it was not intended to the apostles where in fact it is intended, the entire narration prove that he was referring to them. As a matter of scriptures he is comparing his teachings to them for we have an evidence coming directly from Paul’s letter to the Corinthians that others did not accept his apostleship. He writes: “Am I not an APOSTLE? HAVE I NOT SEEN Jesus our Lord? If to OTHERS, I am not an apostle, at least I am to you; for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord (I Corinthians 9:1,2)”
” I think that I am not in the least inferior to these superlative apostles ” ( II Cor. 11:5)
Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham?
So am I. Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more. (II Cor. 11:22)
Who are the “Other” or the Superlative Apostles? To whom he is not an apostle? Is it not most likely those whom he designates “the other apostles, “ Peter and the brothers of the Lord (Ya’akob Tzaddik) which whom he immeditately
continues to compare his practices? At the very least, they would be identified with the other apostles at Corinth who, under the influence of Peter, James the righteous and the twelve, were challenging Paul’s claim to be an apostle. So like a man who feels thereatened and who operates from a position of weakness, Paul asserted his calling to the beginning of all his letters except those to the Philippians, the Thessalonians, and the Philemon.
IN addition, do ye know by his own words (his own admission) that his apostleship has nothing to do with the church conferring it to him?
“Paul , an apostle not of men neither by man but by Jesus christ and God the father. (Gal. 1:1)
“Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some OTHERS, epistles of commendation to your letters of commendation from YOU? ( II Cor. 3:1)
“But form those who seemed to be something (What kind they were then DOES NOT MATTER TO ME, GOD DOES NOT ACCEPT THE FACE OF MAN) FOR THOSE SOMETHING IMPORTANT CONFERRED NOTHING TO ME (Gal. 2:6)
IOW, his teachings came not from a man but from the DIRECT REVELATION of Jesus christ as he claimed.
So, Paul claim no authority from the apostles from Jerusalem cometh from his pen. NO DOUBT!
While in another occasion (w/c is not different from the other occasion) we read:
“You foolish Galatian, WHO HAS bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus christ was clearly portrayed as crucified, Would like to learn just one thing from you: DID you receive the spririt by observing the LAW or by believing what you heard? Are you foolish? (Galatian 3:1-3)
Here, it is obvious there are people that are disagreeing with him, If Jesus taught that the LAW is over clearly, then people would not be arguing over this. Right?
“For if SOMEONE comes to you and PREACHES, a JESUS OTHER THAN THE JESUS WE PREACHED, or if you recievea different spirit from the one you received, or a DIFFERENT GOSPEL from the one you accepted. you put up with it easily enought, BUT I DO NOT THINK I AM IN THE LEAST INFERIOR TO TO THOSE SUPER-APOSTLES” ( II Cor. 11:4-5)
Here again he is comparing, He is in conflict with the direct apostles, He is criticizing the disciples of Jesus.
Do you remember when Paul said; , ” I labor more abundantly than any of THEM”
Who were THEM RAZ? it is obvious, HE’s IN CONFLICT , HE’s COMPARING WITH THEM.
Thus, If paul boast for his labor and appreciated his own effort, Jesus apprciated THEM – his very own direct apostles for their labor in the name of TRUTH, thus they were not lazy as what Paul was trying to convey.
“I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are APOSTLES, and ARE NOT, and hast found them LIARS:” (Rev. 2:2)
And who were those LIARS?
I hope ……..you see the Light! Thank you!
To JSA and Pathfinder
Let me educate you both that man whom you called your apostle. Saul by his own admission(IOW cometh from his mouth) was guilty of 2 murders, He consented to the death of Stephen (Acts 8:1). NO DOUBT!, He was indeed a learned man, studied under the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) , Gamaliel – a famous rabbi, descendant of Hillel – FAITHFUL TO THE LAW. Brother Rolly is absolutely correct when he said that Paul progress in JUDAISM far beyond many Jewish students of his time for NONE was more keenly enthusiastic than him to MASTER the traditional lore of his ancestor ( Gal. 1:14) Saul was a PHARISEE, & lived in accordance to the STRICTEST SECTION of his faith (Acts 26:5). He was indeed good or probably the best in Knowledge during his time, but FEstus accused him badly by saying with a loud voice, “Paul YOU ARE MAD, YOUR GREAT LEARNING IS TURNING YOU MAD ” ( Acts 26:24) WAs FEstus right?
Wherever he went Paul seemed to stir up new trouble , its because of His fanatical zeal, He was in prison most of the time (it has nothing to do with the doctrine of Jesus) because of his argumentative nature and hostile character towards Jewish priestly hierarchy and others. When in trouble he sometimes created a diversion, there was an incident when he set the Pharisees and the Sadducees against each other but the turmoil backfired on him as both sides turned their anger on him. In addition there was a story when Herod AGrippa who had been called in by Festus to help him with a certain case that “Paul could have been set free if he had not appealed to Ceasar” ( Acts 26:32)
In addition, HIs own pen also informed us that He practiced DECEIT, He’s also covetous and domineering individual, a vindictive, a liar, and a self-promoter. ( no offense but we can verified it from his epistle!)
Well, let us also hear the other side of a coin (outside the BIBLE) about his character before his questionable conversion.
This is a historical fact you won’t find in your “Pauline” Christian Bible — is described by the Apostle Peter in an ancient Essene Christian manuscript titled, THE CLEMENTINE HOMILIES AND RECOGNITIONS; we read:
“… the high priest of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem had often sent priests to ask us that we might discourse with one another concerning Jesus: when it seemed a fit opportunity, and it pleased all of our church, we accepted the invitation and went up to the temple. It was crowded with people who had come to listen, many Jews and many of our own brethren. First the high priest told people that they should listen patiently and quietly…. Then, he began exalting with many praises the rite of animal sacrifice for the remission of sins and found fault with the baptism given by our Jesus to replace animal sacrifice….
“To him our James began to show, by abundant proof that Jesus is the Christ, and that in Him are fulfilled all the prophecies which related to His humble advent. For, James showed that two advents of Him are foretold: one in humiliation, which He has now accomplished; the other in glory, which is yet to be accomplished….
“And when James had plainly taught the people concerning these things, he added this also, that unless a man be baptized in water, in the name of the threefold blessedness, as the True Prophet taught, he can neither receive remission of sins nor enter the kingdom of heaven: and he declared that this is the prescription of the unbegotten God…. And when James had spoken some more things about baptism, through seven successive days he persuaded all the people and even the high priest that they should hasten straightaway to receive baptism….
“And when matters were at that point that they would all come and be baptized, Paul and his men entered the temple: and Paul cried out: ‘Oh men of Israel, why are you so easily influenced by these miserable men?’ He began to excite the people and raise a tumult… and drive all into confusion with shouting, and to undo what had been done by James. Paul rebuked the priests for having listened to James, and, like a madman, began to excite the priests and people to murder James and the brethren, saying ‘Do not hesitate; grab them and pull them to pieces.’ Paul then, seizing a strong brand from the altar, set the example of smiting. Then others also, seeing him, joined in the beating. Much blood was shed. Although James and the brethren were more numerous and more powerful they rather suffered themselves to be killed by an inferior force, than to kill others. Paul attacked James and threw him headlong from the top of the steps; and supposing him to be dead left him.”
Fortunately, *James, the Brother of Jesus and leader of the Essene Christians, was revived by Essene healers. He and the other survivors of Paul’s attack left Jerusalem and went to an Essene commune to heal. Paul continued to persecute Essene Christians, going from city to city with secret police agents, arresting and killing many.
That’s probably the reason why in Acts 9:26-26 after his so called conversion when Paul first arrived in Jerusalem NONE OF THE BRETHEN WANTED TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIM AND IT WAS ONLY WHEN BARNABAS GOT TO KNOW HIM PERSONALLY , TALKING HIM TO THE APOSTLES THAT ANY KIND OF BRIDGE WAS FORMED.
*Yaakob Tzaddik is James the Righteous, -the Ebionite leader
in the first century
TO EBIONITE:
i didn’t know you consider these pieces of context as “education”.
i can easily guess this written litany of grudges against Paul is all that you’ve got to dislike him to the fullest.
ok, granting without accepting, that all these speculative accusations you copied from your ancestors were true, that Paul is this and that, blah blah blah …
can you give reference to any scriptures, (even it is written from the so-called gnostic or essenic writings) categorically stating “THAT THE ALMIGHTY GOD AND/OR CHRIST SEES PAUL IS A REPROBATE, CONDEMNED, AND IS DOOMED TO HELL”?
i know it’s not that hard for anyone to misinterpret Paul’s views to other apostles, claiming that you knew it all because you’re an Ebionite (yet you still can’t prove me how and when did you become one, and if you were really circumcised on the eight day), but if you can only answer this simple argument I have for you, there’s no need for you guys to make so much effort digging from your ancient text just to disprove Paul.
if Paul is really that EVIL, you should at least show proof that GOD AND/OR CHRIST SEES HIM AS A PERSON DOOMED TO HELL LIKE THE WAY JUDAIZERS LIKE YOU CLAIMS.
and if you’re claim were true, can you also AFFIRM that the Christian congregation led by Paul are ALL CONDEMNED TO HELL TOO, and no single follower of Paul will be saved or justified in God’s eyes.
well, that’s all for now. i’m not a man of gibberish and lengthy words, you know. let’s see how much “education” you really thought you knew.
I’m so disapointed about ebionites way of answering…
consuming a “LARGE SPACE” on this blog,and he didn’t answered a “SINGLE” question that I’ve asked…
all he ever wrote was “paul’s this…paul’s that…”
How can you make us believe that you’re the“PUREST FORM” of “Primitive” Christianity,and to you was given the “mystery” of the “kingdom of God” if you keep on “EVADING” our questions?…
WE ARE NOT “RUMORMONGERING” PEOPLE here,okay…
answer the question raised to you to “PROVE” that you are really what you “CLAIM” to be…
and about “THE CLEMENTINE HOMILIES AND RECOGNITIONS”…
If that’s what you’re reffering to as the “SECRET DOCTRINE”…
WELL JUST KEEP IT “SECRET” TO “YOURSELVES”…OK!
To Ebionites:
Ebionites said:
……………. According to Paul, (We did not hear anything from Peter about that Occasion)…………
IN addition, do ye know by his own words (his own admission) that his apostleship has nothing to do with the church conferring it to him?
My reply:
But why do you need to hear from somebody else besides to Paul, not unless if you don’t believe that Jeus said this:
1.) Do you believe with Jesus said these?
Acts 26:17-18
(17) Delivering “THEE” from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send THEE,
(18) To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
2.) Why?
Please answer this questions Ebionites.
RED FLAG
To Ebionites:
68 Ebionites:
MOST of your COMMENTS in #68 are exactly the same from this website.
http://www.essene.org/Yahowshua_or_Paul.htm
Start from here:
…..THE CLEMENTINE HOMILIES AND RECOGNITIONS; we read:
Up to here:
….with secret police agents, arresting and killing many.
Those are all exactly the same.
I’m wondering if you just copy and paste it.
And if you did, I’m not sure if you are planning to copy and paste the rest of it.
It will be a lot easier if you just give us the web link next
time.
i do agree, it is totally impossible for god to exist.
to homar:
can you please elaborate on your comment on “it is totally impossible for god to exist”?
that was your conclusion,I want to hear your explanation.
More power Bro.Eli!! Very clear explanation.. To God be the Glory!!
maitase, maitase, maitase…
Why won’t some unbelievers understand!!!!!! Only few things are impossible with GOD! One of these impossible things are lying and interfere with our choices (this doesn’t include the so-called “whisper in the ear” scheme that Satan and Sons are using to get our fellow men away from GOD, because it’s always up to us on what we should do!) because GOD gave us the freedom of choice, to choose between what is good and evil. The rest, is possible!!!!! Anyway, if those unbelievers still prefer theirs, fine then. And that’s what we shall see, when the JUDGMENT DAY COMES…
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All things for men that is impossible is possible to God (Luke 1:37)
That verse was said because Mary was amazed how can she bear a child w/o having sex w/ a man and how an oldwoman Elizabeth to bear a child.
All people believe that God don’t sin right? That is the proof that no all things God can do.
because God cant do any sin!
He is the most powerful but God cant do all actions like lying, changing himself, to forsake his children, or to sin.
Stop pretending to be blind ADD critics. believe to Soriano even you dont want to affiliate to his group.
doent mean believing in him is convincing you to join his group. NO!
What Bro. Eli wants is you reject your false beliefs. affiliating with his group is optional to him. he will be your friend as long as you are kind and friendly to him.
Bro eli, I heard before you said, JESUS and God the Father can be called as the Alpha and Omega because they have thesame attributes.. can youbfurther elaborate this for us? thank you
after reading this blog, I realized that we just have to wait for His promises… 😀 Thanks be to God!
I used to believe God can do everything. I’m glad i learned the truth. Thanks be to God!
I thought God can do anything and everything He wants but not after reading this article of Bro. Eli. This really amazed and educated me so well regarding God’s character. Who else can give us this information about God, only those who sent by God Himself. Praise God forever and ever!
This article of Bro. Eli below is for those people who disgraced St. Paul and even accused him as liar. Happy reading.
http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/paul-labored-more-abundantly-than-the-other-apostles/
DEUS mesmo sendo criador de tudo o que há no universo, jamais irá infringir suas próprias leis ou usar costumes malignos(Vós tendes por pai ao diabo, e quereis satisfazer os desejos de vosso pai. Ele foi homicida desde o princípio, e não se firmou na verdade, porque não há verdade nele. Quando ele profere mentira, fala do que lhe é próprio, porque é mentiroso, e pai da mentira. João 8:44).Sendo assim para ELE hà algumas coisas impossíveis !!!
There is nothing in this world to be compared to the Lord, He is the meaning of our human life.