In the New York stock exchange and in the worldwide market, the statistics and global trends are the dominating least common denominator. These are all governed by mathematical figures. A little knowledge of arithmetic will help us understand the simplest and most intricate truth about businesses all over the world. They depend on mathematics.
Incidentally, the Bible is not a book of mathematics but it tells us that to know how to count is wisdom.
REVELATION 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
PSALMS 90:12
So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
The Bible does not even require us to do numerical multiplications but simply to count. The only multiplication required in the Bible was for the first couple, Adam and Eve, and eight souls that were left alive after the global flood! And such multiplication is not tedious but carnally easy!
GENESIS 1:27-28
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
GENESIS 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Do you agree that it’s not so hard to multiply? The fact is that Adam and Eve and the eight souls are just instruments to attain multiplication but the reality is God Himself as the multiplier of the multiplicands.
JEREMIAH 30:19
And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
When I said in my previous blog that I am the most maligned person in the history of Christianity, I said this as basis that, “I believe using mathematical and logical calculations that, I am the most slandered man in the history of Christianity. The defamations being thrown to my person go beyond borders.”
If we consider statistics and a little of arithmetic plus logic, this comes to an equation that (=) I have said the truth!
A Catholic fanatic asserted that what I said is not true but that the Pope is the most slandered man. Knowing the meaning of the word slander, I know it will not apply to any Pope in the entire history of the Catholic Church. The Microsoft Encarta has this to say:
slander
slan·der [slándər]
noun (plural slan·ders)
1. Saying of something false and damaging: the act or offense of saying something false or malicious that damages somebody’s reputation
2. False and damaging statement: a false and malicious statement that damages somebody’s reputation
[13th century. Via Old French esclandre < ecclesiastical Latin scandalum “cause of offense” (see scandal)]
Microsoft® Encarta® 2009. © 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
If there are things said, printed and broadcast against the person of any Pope of the Roman Catholic Church by detractors, historians and anybody or even me, and they are proven to be the truth, these do not constitute slander; more so if the Catholic Church itself is the one revealing them. Here’s a good example:
In a magazine printed by members of the Catholic Church, read this closely!
If in any of my preaching and writings I have said anything against any Pope of the Catholic Church, I am not slandering nor maligning his person. I always discuss matters of doctrines and faith, for it is Biblical to investigate such things rather than to simply accuse anybody of anything just like what Catholic fanatics are doing to me.
JOHN 7:17
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
I said once in my Bible expositions that, “If you are going to believe the present Pope Benedict XVI, you have to disown all the previous popes before him who claimed infallibility in their teachings.” Why? They all taught that there is limbo where babies who died unbaptized will go because they cannot go to heaven.
I also said, “If you are going to believe the 263 Popes before Benedict XVI and believe in the infallibility of all of them, then, you have to disown Benedict XVI who says that there exists no limbo and unbaptized children will go to heaven.
Pope revises ‘limbo’ for babies
By Nicole Winfield / Associated Press
Last updated 11:52am (Mla time) 04/21/2007
VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI has revised traditional Roman Catholic teaching on so-called “limbo,” approving a church report released Friday that said there was reason to hope that babies who die without baptism can go to heaven.
Benedict approved the findings of the International Theological Commission, which issued its long-awaited document on limbo on Origins, the documentary service of Catholic News Service, the news agency of the American Bishop’s Conference.
“We can say we have many reasons to hope that there is salvation for these babies,” the Rev. Luis Ladaria, a Jesuit who is the commission’s secretary-general, told The Associated Press.
Although Catholics have long believed that children who die without being baptized are with original sin and thus excluded from heaven, the church has no formal doctrine on the matter.
Theologians have long taught, however, that such children enjoy an eternal state of perfect natural happiness, a state commonly called limbo, but without being in communion with God.
Pope John Paul II and Benedict had urged further study on limbo, in part because of “the pressing pastoral needs” sparked by the increase in abortion and the growing number of children who die without being baptized, the report said.
In the document, the commission said there were “serious theological and liturgical grounds for hope that unbaptized infants who die will be saved and brought into eternal happiness.”
It stressed, however, that “these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge.”
Ladaria said no one could know for certain what becomes of unbaptized babies since Scripture is largely silent on the matter.
Catholic parents should still baptize their children, as that sacrament is the way salvation is revealed, the document said.
The International Theological Commission is a body of Vatican-appointed theologians who advise the pope and the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Benedict headed the Congregation for two decades before becoming pope in 2005.
Will these be slander or obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ who instructed His apostles to preach the truth without fear!
MATTHEW 10:26-28
26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Anyway, I can prove among an unbiased jury that I am slandered and maligned without a scintilla of a doubt!
To my detractors in the web and in this particular blog, I acknowledge your contribution to the statistics that prove the veracity of my statements! “I am the most slandered person in the history of Christianity, statistically, mathematically, and logically speaking”!
And before I forget, I’m not exalting myself. To accept and to herald that I am the most slandered person is practically and logically an act of humiliating oneself!
I CORINTHIANS 4:13
Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
Did the Apostle Paul exalt himself when he said this of himself?
Ohhhhhh… come on!
God Bless you!
Thanks be to God! Its very interesting topics that bro. Eli discuss.. I have learn a lot. GoD Bless you…
…you’re still at this ‘slander’ issue? yeah yeah panalo ka na, most slandered in history ka na. sometimes i wonder if you have the balls to call yerself the most humble person in the world. geez, move on please…
…but somehow, i do agree with pope ratzinger. babies who die during birth or those who were aborted or those still in the womb(of course all these i mentioned are unbaptized) dont deserve to be in limbo. they should all go straight to heaven, coz they have’nt done anything wrong.
aka Juan dela Cruz:
are you blind? or you are just dumb moron! Have you seen any preacher now in our time that speaks bravely the truth without any reservations? and because of this, bro eli was maligned and degrade his image by his detractors. his detractors were just brave to write in blogs that were against to bro eli but they were coward to face him in a public debate!
I heartily believe that bro eli is the most slandered person in the history of Christianity!
The apostles were just slandered and mistreated in their known world, in the place were they preach the gospel. but in this time, bro eli was slandered practically almost all religious organizations worldwide! because his preaching can be heard worldwide.
Now think of this, even you, you’re one of them who maligned bro eli. do bro eli did something for you to get angry with him?? Imagine those pastors who preaches wrong doctrines and those fanatic members in their congregation, what will they feel toward bro eli when he will read verses of the bible that is against in their belief? bro eli is having bible expositions almost daily, and that expositions will be heard worldwide. through this, bro eli made more enemies of faith day by day and unfortunately YOU ARE ONE of them!!!!
Hope our God will open your heart for you to see the TRUTH!…
ho-hum.
@JDC
dont worry,you’re not the first monkey who’s hallucinting to prove that bro. Eli is wrong.
typo. * HALLUCINATING*
brethren, how many monkey full of ego and pride as high as the trees they climb that has been in this situation before? (another laughing stock for me here in the office),well,don’t worry JDC, there’s a perfect time that will come for you to realize you’re wrong,and if ever that time came,you’re always welcome and free to ask bro. eli about the matters of faith (you can also prove that he’s wrong, LIVE! : ) )
I think it is not right to attack People, but we may disagree with their opinions.
Disagreeing with the opinions of others have many facets because we do not start from an agreed starting point. For example we say 1 + 1 = 2. 1 = 1. This is mathematically theoretical. 1 apple = 1 apple applies in one way, but not if we agree on the size and weight ratio. The weight of one apple is generally not equal to the weight of another apple, though an apple is supposed to equal another apple, but not equal an orange.
Since Spiritual Things are mostly under cover, we are always supposing things. Long time past, my Religious Leader could not bear my questions and shouted “This is a mystery ! Only God knows ! “
@JDC
“…but somehow, i do agree with pope ratzinger. babies who die during birth or those who were aborted or those still in the womb(of course all these i mentioned are unbaptized) dont deserve to be in limbo. ” – JDC
Are you trying to tell us, that, once after the babies were baptised.. when they die… they will still go to limbo even if they haven’t done anything wrong?
This only shows that you were not informed by your “POPE” what baptism is all about, biblically speaking… I pity the catholics….
Learn from us, Members of the Church of God. The TRUTH will set you free of your Ignorance…
….try to acquire reading comprehension skills, dumbass. i was referring to babies that were’nt baptised. ergo, i was’nt trying to tell you, or whoever ‘us’ is, anything about something else. i dont even believe in limbo. do think before you reply to other posts.
…your moronic way of thinking will only get worse in due time.
juan dela cruz says:
July 2, 2011 at 9:27 am
….try to acquire reading comprehension skills, dumbass. i was referring to babies that were’nt baptised. ergo, i was’nt trying to tell you, or whoever ‘us’ is, anything about something else. i dont even believe in limbo. do think before you reply to other posts.
…your moronic way of thinking will only get worse in due time.
Bambi says :
Sometimes being more wise is the cause of not being chosen. Especially your harsh words.Calling people moron and dumbass just because they didn’t understand what you mean.
1 Cor 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
I’m glad that I don’t know you. Because if I did. I might sin. May God rebuke you for what you’ve just said. And don’t worry, with that kind of attitude you have…. I know you won’t get to understanding the words of God for none of the wicked will do.
For example this simple question of Bro. Eli you cannot answer.
I CORINTHIANS 4:13
Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
Did the Apostle Paul exalt himself when he said this of himself?
…and being called ignorant is’nt harsh? wake up from your bigotry.
i’m glad that I don’t know you. Because if I did. I might sin. May God rebuke you for what you’ve just said. And don’t worry, with that kind of attitude you have…. I know you won’t get to understanding the words of God for none of the wicked will do.
…but you already sinned, when you wished that God rebuke me for the things i said, and for assuming that i’ll never understand His words.. geez, do practice what you preach.
did you even read my other posts? how many times do i have to tell you and yer miserable narrow-minded ilk, that I AM NOT against bro eli. i stated before and i will state it again: he preaches well and i find them stimulating/entertaining/enlightening. you’d be definitely a dumbass if you’ll find that last sentence in a different light.
@juan dela cruz
lahat ng accused they have chance to defend themselves pero pag si bro Eli na talagang walang lusot sayo.. nag sulat lang ng article may babatikos.. if he tries to defend himself meron pa rin.. ang mahirap dyan puro kayo salita na wala namang substance! palibhasa WALA KA NAMAN KASI MAITUTUTOL! tutulan mo yung sinabi! hindi yang ganyan brad para kang bata nyan eh! you dont even have the balls to write your own name!
@josep:
…lahat ng accused they have chance to defend themselves pero pag si bro Eli na talagang walang lusot sayo..
….tsk tsk isa pa ‘to..natawa ako sa linyang yan. para bang sinabi mo na araw araw ko binabatikos mga gawain ni bro eli. nabasa mo ba yung ibang post ko o pinipili mo lang ang tutugunan mo? nag react lang ako sa claim nya e nadiskaril na ang katinuan mo. ‘ he preaches well and i find them stimulating/entertaining/enlightening. you’d be definitely a dumbass if you’ll find that last sentence in a different light.’ naiintindihan mo ba yang mga linya na yan? reading comrehension skills naman dude.
…you dont even have the balls to write your own name!
….haha like it matters naman kapag ilalagay mo real name mo. duda ako e, ngayon ka pa lang ba nakapag internet? alam mo ba ang ginagawa ng mga hacker? phisher? alam mo ba ang word na ‘privacy’? alamain mo ang mga yan, at maliliwanagan ka kung bakit hindi dapat basta basta mag post ng mga sensitibong info tungkol sa isang blogger/internet user atbp.
juan dela cruz says:
did you even read my other posts?
Bambi says :
I’m sorry I don’t know you why should I follow your post
juan dela cruz says:
how many times do i have to tell you and yer miserable narrow-minded ilk, that I AM NOT against bro eli
Bambi says :
You’ve just told me that your not against bro.eli. Why use the word “how many times do I have to tell YOU and YER miserable narrow-minded ilk”. If your not narrow-mided yourself.
juan dela cruz says:
i stated before and i will state it again: he preaches well and i find them stimulating/entertaining/enlightening.
Bambi says :
That’s good. My apology. peace brother
juan dela cruz says:
and being called ignorant is’nt harsh? wake up from your bigotry
bambi says :
Being called ignorant is different from being called DUMBASS and MORON
juan dela cruz says :
and for assuming that i’ll never understand His words..
bambi says :
I did not assume. The words that come out in you invites discord.
Proverbs 6:12-14
12A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.
13He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;
14Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.
@bambi:
I’m sorry I don’t know you why should I follow your post
….but you already did, otherwise we would’nt be having these posts.
You’ve just told me that your not against bro.eli. Why use the word “how many times do I have to tell YOU and YER miserable narrow-minded ilk”. If your not narrow-mided yourself.
….i was’nt just referring to you specifically, but to all yer fellow members in general. hence, that particular sentence was collective.
aaaand there, i hope you get my drift. my apologies too.
Thanks be to God!!!!
263 popes vs Pope Benedict 16. If you choose the 263 popes, Pope will become a villain against their own church and belief and if you choose Pope Benedict 16, it is tantamount to say that all their teachings are wrong. What would you choose?
Thanks be to GOD that there is bro. Eli who can explain all these things. Imagine popes contradicting their own doctrines.
Bro. Eli Soriano is truly a messenger of God.
2 Corinthians 6:4, 8 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, … by honor and dishonor, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;
Actually I’ve never heard of you before, until following a link on facebook. You simply aren’t known well enough to be the most anything, sorry. You are self-important (means important in your own eyes) and this isn’t slander if it’s true, lol.
FYI, that’s not a fact. That’s your opinion.
@ Jenn: Well said.
@jenn
…of course it’s his opinion. it came from him, didn’t it? the same way yer posts came from you. hence, it’s your opinion, isn’t it?
@ david:
maybe you are just sleeping that is why you know nothing!
@glenn:
…and i assume you know everything, don’t you? coz if you don’t, and i’m sure you’ll admit that you do, then you’re no different from david whom you presumed was ‘sleeping’ in the first place…
I guess I should explain why I had a go at you. Your church, I believe, teaches that one must be a member of it to be saved. That is not honouring Jesus Christ, for it is by true faith in Him that one is saved – and that is the only condition. You are trying to say that your church is as important as Him, so you earn my rebuke.
“Your church, I believe, teaches that one must be a member of it to be saved.”
With just this, goes to show you don’t do your homework. If you did a bit of research, you’d know your comment isn’t true. Isn’t that slander?
@hgt:
…it’s called an opinion. last i checked, opinion is different from slander. it only becomes slander if you’re pretty much suspicious about what others think about. in that case, you’ll need medication. if all opinion, by your inane standards, are considered as slander, then we’re all screwed.
…but do continue with yer posts, just like the rest. everything is give and take. we’r all learning about a lot of things.
Sorry but you are misinformed. You think you know but you just don’t.
@ david:
you know, your argument is just very shallow! if it is TRUE faith, it MUST go with it your WORKS for your faith to be called TRUE faith because faith without work is DEAD!
about your phrase that says: “…teaches that one must be a member of it to be saved.”
bro eli NEVER teaches us these things! even you are a member of the church and still you do the things that is against the Doctrines of Jesus, you will not be save. And even you are not in the church (meaning you never heard about Jesus & its teachings) but you do the things in the law, you have the chance to be save…
read the bible and use common sense david, self-appraisal won’t do you any good… maybe your “jesus” is as dumb as the “jesus” presented by roman catholics and other false religions. and never did i heard eli soriano said “my religion” in regard to his religious group. he always say that the real church was already founded before our time and we should emulate the teachings of the church blessed by God (and that’s not the shitty Roman Catholic sect)
We, as member of the Church of God, never heard Bro Eli that we are only the followers who will be saved. Can you show as a proof that will prove that it is part of Bro Eli’s teachings?
Your making a statement without any basis… prove it, please… do your assignment first.
That is slander, Bro.
God bless
Mr. Eli Soriano opined:
“I believe using mathematical and logical calculations that, I am the most slandered man in the history of Christianity. The defamations being thrown to my person go beyond borders.”
Reply:
That is your belief that you are the most slandered man in the history of Christianity. when I say that it’s the pope I am telling you the truth. The catholic religion for the last 2,000 years in its existence their leader the pope has been the object of slander and vilification by the enemies of the Church all over world. In your case; who is slandering you? If somebody is slandering you then why didn’t you go to court? Does the whole world know about it that you have the temerity to say that you are the most slandered man in the history of Christianity when nobody is slandering you? If you believe you are being slandered then you go to court.
Yeah, like you could discuss religious persecutions in court… Think.
@ R.A.:
do you know what slander means???
slandered >> past participle, past tense of slan·der
Verb: Make false and damaging statements about (someone)
Popes were not slandered because the things that were thrown unto them is NOT FALSE statements. But they were true. The popes really butchered thousands of people during dark ages. They teaches their member to do things that is AGAINST the Doctrines of Christ such as KNEELING TO IDOLS & etc.!
bro eli was the most slandered person in history of Christianity because he was accused FALSELY by his detractors! just like what happened to the apostles and even Jesus…
THINK of this: can you name ANYONE that can do what bro eli has done??? conducting bible expositions LIVE, answering questions impromptu and the bible is the basis of his answer?? is their a MAN of GOD that is IGNORANT in the bible??? if your pastor/priest/minister is the man of God, why he CANNOT do what bro eli has DONE???
FYI: bro eli is now having bible exposition in foreign lands! proof??? visit http://www.ocaminhoantigo.tv
Sorry… but can you prove Biblically that the Catholic religion exusted 2,000 years.
Bro Eli posted the TRUTH in this blog… Truth is not slander.
Disprove this blog with facts please
How about studying with us and experience how to be in TRUE CHurch of God…
The Church of God can be found in the Bible…
Can you show us a verse that THE CATHOLIC CHURCH is recognized by God in the BIble?
Or your church is just built by man and not of God.
MArk 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
NO SUCH CATHOLIC CHURCH EVER EXISTED 2,000 YEARS AGO, That is not slander… coz that’s the TRUTH… Biblically speaking.
YOU’RE JUST DREAMING, BRO…
LEARN FROM US… and you will see the light…
God bless
This statement is exactly true…. “And before I forget, I’m not exalting myself. To accept and to herald that I am the most slandered person is practically and logically an act of humiliating oneself!”
I really can’t decipher why some people thought that the statement of Bro. Eli stating that he is the most maligned person in history is an act of boasting for himself. Claiming something does not really mean that you are boasting. It still depends on what you are claiming. To say that you are the most maligned is even an act of humility because you are not claiming that you are someone great.
..then eli should just keep his mouth shut, and not claim things.
..then eli should just keep his mouth shut, and not claim things.
@jdc:
maybe you should be the one who should shut his mouth for you don’t know what you are saying.
you should atleast open your eyes and your mind..you dont even know what u are saying..learn atleast how to compare..do a bit of research..
If Bro. Eli wants to claim that he is in a lowly state, that is his right. Remember that the Apostles even claimed that they are a filth of the earth. I don’t seen anything wrong about that.
(1 Corinthians 4:13) “Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.”
Please don’t restrict the freedom of speech of anyone without biblical basis.
Don’t tell him what to do. Nobody forced you to read the article anyway. I think if someone’s in better position to say shut up, definitely, that’s not you.
Ignorance kills wisdom. Invest time, energy. Research. Do your homework.
To Unbelievers.
Ignorance kills wisdom. Invest time, energy. Research. Do your homework. Involve yourself that ye may know. There are things unseen but is true. & if we we don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s not true.
I absolutely agree!!!! maybe they are just dumb or whatever!
…nice. it works both ways, does’nt it?
The problem with Bro. Elis’s detractors is that in their over eagerness to assail the truth that he profess, they cannot, even for a while, set aside their biases and prejudice. Hence, the hurried attempts by these evidently ill-advised commentators to score points against him merely expose them not only as deceivers but defamers themselves (who contribute to the continuous growth of Bro. Eli’s defamation statistics).
The reason why Bro. Eli is a preacher several notches above the rest is because his arguments are based on facts and records and his actions as a preacher are all biblically oriented, pure and undefiled to say the least. In this well thought out article, Bro. Eli has not just articulated the Catholic Church imperfections but he exposed some of its religious mistakes to the hilt using its own official records. Moreover, Bro. Eli is demonstratively precise with his biblical verses in supporting his relevant spiritual assertions.
In this world of extreme materialism and spiritual deception, Bro. Eli is one true preacher who keeps the flame of truth and spiritual righteousness burning. I believe God will bless him always!
Good day…
All the detractors of Bro Eli has to do is to post “unfactual” statement that Bro Eli mentioned in this blog… and proved them… historically… and specially… Biblically…
I pity the catholics…. may they find right path
There you have it Catholic readers!
To God be the Glory!
Mr. Steven should determine the difference between being proud and being boastful.
because even wisdom speaks proudly;
“and let us hear the first born of love as she speaks with PRIDE among her people,” —
“Before the ASSEMBLY of the Most High and in the presence of the HEAVENLY HOST, I am the word which was spoken by the Most High” – Book of Sirach, The Bible
therefore God will judge us of what it is in our heart if we speaks it being proudly or being an arrogant.
EYES
@R.A.
well first of all, are popes christian? i dont think so.
Right… nowhere in the Bible that there are Christian pope.
Christians are members of The Church of God…. Acts 11:26 / I Cor 1:1-2.
God bless
Dominik, a Pope is very much like a Manager in a factory, a Leader, a Father in a Family. If there is no Leader, the Followers will not know what to do. This is why we have a President, a Prime Minister etc. All these earthly things follows Man’s Laws and creativity. Even in the lower Animal Kingdom, there is a Leader. If there is no Leader, Man has to create one. In Politics, a Leader create Followers. Even jesus had 12 Followers and then a large part of the Populations followed.
Someday, In God’s appointed time, I believe that all the things that bro.Eli had said will be known true.
Amen.
I would advise those people who do not know very well Bro Eli Soriano, to just listen to his preaching, holding a bible by the hand, and investigate with scrutiny the words that is coming out of his mouth if it is not from true source of truth that each one of us are seeking for our own salvation. Try to come and listen to the Exposition being held at random. Better, if you could come and visit any one of the coordinating center nearest your place. Addresses, Telephone numbers, are provided. Please try to visit ! so that you will come to know Bro Eli Soriano if he rightly dividing the word of truth or not.
even in courts (in the Philippines) he is still being slandered, he had experienced a lot of injustices… if you would just know bro eli, who he really is and his life experiences then you would understand why he had said all of these things.. he is not claiming this “slandered thing” for him be called a great person but simply because it is the truth.. as you can see even in his own blog he still being slandered by those people who do not completely understand..his personality and his beliefs…why don’t you just give it a fair look, and don’t judge him immediately…coz you just might regret it in the end.
God bless bro. Eli, the truthcaster! To God be the Glory!
if you dont agree with bro eli’s statement, CHALLENGE him in a debate!!!
WHY his detractors were only brave here in blogs?? face bro eli in a debate!!
you said that bro eli is a false preacher, then why you are AFRAID of him in a debate???
prove your side that you are speaking the truth and bro eli is a false preacher, challenge him in a debate!
Right! The only way for them to find realize how wrong they are in not knowing Bro Eli well.
Here is what the Bible says re debate:
Isaiahs 1:18 – Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall
It’s an invitation from God Himself….
May they open their eyes in truth
@ juan dela cruz – I just wonder what’s with your “yeah yeah panalo ka na”. Are you in a game where you are attached to winning??
And I wonder what’s in it for you if this person calls himself “most slandered in history.” Does it affect you??
People are entitled to their opinions, just like you… and just like esoriano. Anyway this man said why he considered himself the “most slandered.”
Let’s just respect that and accept things as they are. I bet you also want respect and acceptance from others.
I just wonder what’s with your “yeah yeah panalo ka na”. Are you in a game where you are attached to winning??
– it’s just word play, similar to lines like ‘yeah i get it’/’ok ‘ok’/atbp. dont act like you dont know what i meant by that.
And I wonder what’s in it for you if this person calls himself “most slandered in history.” Does it affect you??
-actually i’m quite irritated by his claim. kasi nga, he’s a follower of Jesus. a Humble Jesus who’s had way too many trials and whatnot in His life, past and present-wise(dont tell me He’s not being slandered right now by atheists and other ‘non- believers’). now, wala akong nabasa/narinig/nabalitaan na sinabi ni Jesus na siya ang most slandered in the history of mankind, regardless of time frame and technological advances available at any given period. cant just bro eli do that, follow His lead by being humble about it? and not like posting claims about being this and that? one really cool example (i read somewhere) is that carlsberg ad, where they claim to be ‘probably the best beer in the world’. now that’s humility, kasi they didnt ignore the fact na may mga masasarap din na beer sa world market e. di ba logical? that word, ‘probably’, made a huge difference sa line na yun. kung nilagyan ni bro eli ng ganyan yung claim nya na yun, mas marami lalo ang hahanga sa kanya kasi it will show his humility(which is what he wanted to imply when he posted the claim in the first place).
..but yeah, i do respect his opinion. and you have good points too. thanks.
@Juan de la Cruz:
Bro. Eli is the most slandered MAN in the history of Christianity- that’s what he said. Now, it seems you consider Jesus as man since you are putting Him in the category of most slandered man vis-a-vis Bro. Eli (though according to you, He is silent about it and so you believe), do you? If you consider Jesus as God you would not have made that comparison in the first place because Bro. Eli is categorical with his phrase: most slandered man.
Aren’t humiliations, degradation and shame some of the consequences upon someone who is slandered or defamed? Which would you consider more humiliating, more degrading and more shameful – to be most slandered/defamed or to be forsaken by the Father? Definitely the latter is the worse. Now if you insist comparing Bro. Eli with Jesus Christ (which should not be the case) my question is: didn’t HE declare being forsaken by the Father before He died on the cross when He asked Him why Thou hast forsaken me? Christ may not have openly emphasized slander against Him but he announced a worst case scenario, that of being forsaken by the Father.
In short, the issue of arrogance/ pride is being made by you against Bro. Eli instead of looking at his article from an objective point of view to ferret out the veracity of his claim.
As regards to Carlsberg thing, that’s a lot of nonsense.
Tne bloggers likes this post.Thank you for sharing to us.
It has been fascinating to read the comments on this site on various Topics. The Mind is really in action.
I am an open minded Man, and always asking questions.
1. I wish to know why all or most of the People commenting here do not show their heads (photos) ? Are they ashamed, hiding themselves behind ? Is under the hood a safe place ?
2. Do we realize that our Human Thinking may be too weak, too narrow etc. to really understand Spiritual Things ?
3. Has the Bible been tampered with by the then Governments / Politicians ? Maybe there are many missing chapters / Books in the Bible.
4. It is an obvious fact that there has been a Great Engineer of the Universe as we see it provided we see the reality of what we see (!) So, can we really understand that Great Engineer who is GOD ? For example if the average Jo talks to a Nuclear Engineer, Jo will probably end up more confused than ever. Consequently, can we in fact understand GOD or do we sink into more confusion ?
5. Why so many Religions / Sects ? Is it because the understanding of GOD is so difficult that People break up and look for GOD in other Religions ?
6. I touched 6 Religions in my quest. Today, I have no religion, I do not go to a Church or a Temple. I simply live a peaceful life, I help those I could, one reason why I am not rich.
7. Many Religious Leaders thought me things that I had to accept and shut my mouth. In case I insisted to know, I was told that “It is a Mystery”, only GOD knows !
I respect the opinions of all of you, Guys. We may disagree, but still appreciate the time spent here.
Cheers !
….xcellent Qs. i’ll try to answer some…it would be cool to hear from others too…
1) aside from privacy, i guess it’s a hassle for others who had to make quick reactions over posts. so editing profile is conveniently set aside temporarily. in or out in the open is pretty much the same, since we’re doing this online, it wont make a difference.
2) i’d like to think man has been evolving, forward and backwards. and yes, spiritual stuff will always bring out the best, and worse(worst), in people.
3) yes i do believe it’s been tampered long ago, so that those who use it can warp/twist it any way they want to fit their own sick agendas. sad but true. Faith will help us learn.
4) i do believe we can never understand how He run things. but we’ll be definitely be amazed and in awe at things He did/will do for us.
5) because the understanding of GOD is so difficult that People break up and look for GOD in other Religions.
6) Admirable and Commendable.
7) and that’s the exact crap that gets on my nerves. eerily similar to being remote controlled by those who think they have the monopoly concerning salvation and all that jazz.
…these are my opinion. if you dont like it, then you’re way too dumb to realized when to stop reading it. i hope to hear from other posters. perfect post, judex.
…’realize’…
Hi Juan,
I like your opinions. Nobody has the right to dismiss the opinions of others.
It is a fact that Humans do not know enough, and worst, our Religious Leaders pretend to know too much more ! The things of the Creator are miles away from Human understanding.
Taking the Bible as a Book that we should accept as genuine/true, we may be mistaken because it is highly possible that the Bible is not complete. I am of the opinion that many materials have been taken away for the benefit of certain Brotherhoods, such as the Masons, AMORC, Cabal, the Popes, etc.
EXAMPLE : Siracides is a good Book that is not included in our current Bible. This is an example that there has been a choice by certain high Officials/Governments.
So, we are jig-jaw puzzling with things that will, maybe, never show the true Picture.
Cheers Mate.
False religious leaders pretend to know much, but not Bro. Eli. He is not a false prophet.
To say the Bible is not complete, you must know what is complete. If not, you’re just displaying arrogance and asserting opinions without proper analysis.
How can you say that “Siracides” is good book? What is your basis or standard of a “good” book? In the first place, who are you to say something is “good”? What do you know? Only GOD knows what to include and what to exclude in the Holy Book.
Isa. 34:16 (KJV) >> Seek ye out of the Book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for MY Mouth it hath commanded, and HIS SPIRIT it hath gathered them.
Is GOD stupid that HE wants salvation to all and then not let the Bible become complete? Definitely not! Judex is so careless in asserting things. The Bible itself mentions the books which were not found, like the book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13) and the true first epistles of Saint Paul in various churches in Asia. But does that make the Bible incomplete and unreliable book?
Being quiet is a lot better than opening your mouth too wide.
Catholic people are leaving in hell – in darkness!
But let’s thank God… more than 1 thousand people of different religions baptised in Apalit, Pampanga monthly… 80% of them are Catholics after they undergone indoctrination presided by Bro Eli…
Thanks be to God
I see you deleted my post proving that you were mistaken in saying you were the most slandered person in the history of Christianity.
Why, when actual facts contradict you, do you choose to simply delete them?
Proverbs 11:1 says “A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.”
I gave you mathematical evidence showing your conclusion was wrong and yet you choose to keep that truth hidden. This would have been a prime opportunity for you to stand up and tell your followers that you simply made a mistake and then to use that admission as a strong emotional tool for influencing others. Instead, you chose to delete facts and hide honesty and, unfortunately, this isn’t the first time you’ve done this. In my original post to I never attacked you I said that I believed you were simply saying this out of an emotional response.
It’s your choice and I look forward to seeing how you respond and what you choose. It will say a lot about who and what you really are and what you and your congregations really stand for.
Will you keep the truth hidden or confess your mistake and turn it into a positive?
You’re the one that has to live the rest of your life haunted by the choice.
I think it was deleted to avoid humiliation to enter your heart, if it was deleted. Or maybe what you just said is alot of none sense that will confuse the truth.I don’t believe you and won’t ever believe you, ever! Over bro. eli?. Who is steven? I do believe your just a blubber mouth a trying hard arrogant person who thinks that he is right and everyone is wrong. Go out to the open if you really care for all the people in here, or maybe not. For you might do more harm than damage. I pity those innocent people who will believe you, if there is? 🙂 But you know what I don’t think people in their right mind will ever believe you.I don’t even think that you believe yourself.
@bambi:
…I do believe your just a blubber mouth a trying hard arrogant person who thinks that he is right and everyone is wrong. Go out to the open if you really care for all the people in here, or maybe not. For you might do more harm than damage. I pity those innocent people who will believe you…
..but you are aware that these lines could also be applied to you, are’nt yah?
It doesn’t matter what the haters say. The fact is, they spent the time to read this blog, meaning, though they do not directly admit it, that bro. Eli’s blog is worth the time. =)
@jenn:
…ah finally, A MORE SENSIBLE POST. MILES APART FROM THE REST. now that’s where i agree most. good views…
@truthhunstman
In short, the issue of arrogance/ pride is being made by you against Bro. Eli instead of looking at his article from an objective point of view to ferret out the veracity of his claim.
…you have a good viewpoints, man. and they are very much appreciated. but i only have these particular lines to react on. i dont have anything against bro eli, which is clearly what you were trying to imply. though i’m not a member, i do find his preachings rather stimulating. that’s why i watch his shows through the boob tube or the internet, listen to his broadcasts on AM radio. therefore, your judgement on me being arrogant over his posts and whatnot is ridiculous/absurd.
As regards to Carlsberg thing, that’s a lot of nonsense.
….then you probably dont drink. or you do, but have’nt had the chance to gulp down a bottle of the said brew. or worst, you dont know crap about carlsberg. but that would be impossible, unless you’re only in yer teens, coz they have ads anywhere from magazines to billboards et al.
@Juan de la Cruz:
I appreciate the decency of your response. I can now sense the brighter side in you and hey cool dude, I do like it!
But by the way, in heaven there is no beer that’s why get used to living without it here…ASAP!
To God be the glory!
We’ll, all catholics are misled by pope and they must investigate and search for
truth so they might be save in time of judgement.
Put away your pride and search for truth.
Imagine a person whose religion is nothing but him self asking where is God and what he is doing
at this moment ? prove to?
If catholics has an answer it must be in Biblical ,if they can find it.
@ Jenn: you’re so right… let the haters enjoy reading the blogs… they are unconsciously “liking” every bit of the blogs.. Thanks be to GOD!
The more they put their bad comments, the more they reveal their ignorance and irrationality, and the more they add to the slanders of Bro. Eli.
Where are the “slanders” of the blog posters?
@ elysa: pls read the blogs first. One of the latest is that someone said that Bro. Eli is a logician, not a preacher.
But I’m not sure how you define slander. I use the literal meaning.
May GOD bless you.
A little Mathematics.
I admit I do not know much, and always asking questions. I have one question :
” Is Jesus here ? ”
From the Bible or what remains of it, I understood that Jesus said that He was going and will eventually come back. That we must do certain things in “Memory of Him “. And that in the meantime, he was sending the Holy Ghost (Spirit) to us. So, it appears that Jesus is not here, but the Holy Ghost is here because Jesus sent the Holy Ghost to the Apostles. Nowhere it is said that the Holy Ghost also was gone. So, the Holy Ghost is still here till Jesus comes back. Can Somebody explain ? Is this a fact or not ?
Please read Chapter 23 & 24 of Matthew… from there you will see the picture of Christ coming again (not second coming… no such thing in the Bible.).
Or better…
To learn more of this topic… listen to the ONLY sensible preacher in these last days. His name is Bro Eli Soriano.
http://www.livestream.com/elisoriano or in UNTV 37 / 24/7
He often discusses intelligently and full of wisdom the coming of Christ. And we would like to invite you to attend our indoctrination this coming July 18.. 7pm in local of Ang Dating Daan nearest your place.
I assure you that you will hear knowledge that you have not heard yet in you entire life.
May you find the TRUTH…
God bless
Hi Dominik,
Thank you.
I will make it a point to listen to Brother Eli.
Today the internet is slow, I will try again tonight.
CHRIST went back to heaven 40 days after resurrection. But HE said in Mat. 28:20 that HE will be with the CHURCH always even unto the end of the world.
In “memory of HIM” refers to the LORD’s Supper, which must be done ’til HE come back. Sorry, I can’t find the verse.
Better ask Bro. Eli through email, twitter or in live Bible expositions. He can show it to you clearly.
Hi Jezreel,
I must admit that I am confused with all those Spiritual and Bible things. I touched 6 Religions, and the Religious Leaders did not provide me with satisfactory answers. So, I realized that no one really knows unless we take something as a Ruler and abide to it. For example, the metre x 100 cm x 10 mm is accepted by all. No question and no discussion. If we all accept the Bible in a similar approach, there will be no discussion. The fact is that so many are taking the Bible from different angle, and it appears that we are not all converging to the TRUTH or as we see it. Maybe we do not see at all. I will certainly be glad to read or listen to Brother Eli. So far, I have not contacted him because of my experience with the previous Religious Leaders.
If it is a fact that some High Officials in a Canon made a surgical operation of all the Books and decided what to include and what not to include in the Bible, my question would be WHY ? Who gave those High Officials that job of accepting and rejecting certains Books. On what ground ? I will really appreciate to know. So, is the Bible not complete ? Where are the Books not included in the Bible ?
Jezreel,
What I understood is that Jesus will come back. If He is with us till the end of the world, I would say that I am totally confused. So, if Jesus is here, where is He when it hurts so many innocent people including children and babies ? As a father, or Brother, I would save the weak People. Jesus should be able to do better, otherwise He is not here, so He cannot save the weak People.
@ Judex: we can answer you but it’s best to direct to Bro. Eli. Your questions are simple and commonly heard from other people who asks Bro. Eli.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY! IF THESE PEOPLE WOULD JUST OPEN THEIR HEARTS THEY WOULD REALIZE HOW LUCKY THEY ARE TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE BRO.ELI..
I CAN’T WAIT WHAT WOULD THESE PEOPLE DO WHEN THE 1000 YEARS WOULD COME. =)
We just hope that they wil have a change of heart before that time comes…
1. Once in the Dyehouse, a Girl exclaimed “This is a beautiful Green !” .
I asked, “Why you think it is a beautiful Green ?”.
She replied “Because it is a beautiful Green !”.
I explained “You get that beautiful Green when 2 pigments are mixed together to certain proportion, for example, to put it simply, at home, in a container, you mix pigment yellow and pigment blue to certain proportion, and you get Green”.
2. Well, suppose that Jo would come in, and insisted that this is not really Green. The probability is that Jo suffered from some kind of colour blindness.
Well, in 1 above, the Girl accepted a thing as she found it. No deeper knowledge ! In 2 Jo had a physical deficiency that prevented him to think further and analyse the thing under discussion.
In our world, we are always discussing things while we are deficient in enough knowledge, but we are sure we are so good and know enough, better than others !
Can we pretend ?
Cheers !
It is only God who can discern our heart. If He sees that we want to follow Him or be good in His sight… He will give us the knowledge.
Daniel 12:9-10
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
If God shared to us the Biblical knowledge… definitely we are better than others… even to the most inteeligent person in these last days… please read.
I Cor 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Imagine, just knowing the foolishness of God, we’ll be wiser than men…
God bless
because logic cannot explain everything sometimes… but mostly, logic is what we use, when using the 5 senses is not applicable.
Example, how do you know that you have a brain? For sure, you haven’t seen it, heard it, tasted it, smelled it nor touched it. Yes, you can have an MRI to vaguely see it. But if MRi is not available? That’s when we resort to logic. “I can think, so I must have it.”
Same with evolution theory. Evolutionists haven’t seen the whole process with their own eyes, but they believe using their so-called evidences (although I don’t think they used logic in this case).
Discussing things without full knowledge of the subject is fine, as it will lead to deeper understanding as questions arises. It’s not pretension, but rather human nature. The truth is, no human can tell us Absolute Truth about anything around us, even inside us.
Pretension only comes from those who think highly of themselves, that they lose all reason from close-mindedness.
Hi Jezreel,
If you read carefully my comments, you will understand that I am asking more questions than quoting things as true.
1. I have read a couple of Bibles that are not quite same.
2. Long time back, according to my Religious Leaders (NOT according to me), there has been a meeting among the High Officials (I think they called it a Canon, If I remember well) who decided what to include and what not to include in the Bible. Why that ?
3. It appears the only Original Manuscript we have is the Dead Sea Scroll which is not much original writings, while all others are copies and copies of copies over the centuries.
This is why I asked if the Bible is complete or not ? As regards Siracides, I think it is a good Book because of the good advice in it that apply particularly to our world today. I think you may not have read Siracides. Here again, it appears that Siracides is a compilation of copies taken from many other Books.
I am not an Authority to decide, and make statements but I ask questions. Is asking questions could be considered as a “Big Wide Mouth” ?
@ judex: don’t try to fool us face-to-face. We’re not born just yesterday.
You said “Taking the Bible as a Book that we should accept as genuine/true, we may be mistaken because it is highly possible that the Bible is not complete.”
You are not asking questions. You are QUESTIONING things. Please check your words before posting. I think you’re not aware of what you are doing.
Questioning means asking questions when you yourself has another answer in mind.
You’re point in all your posts is that there was a conspiracy. That is not a problem for someone gifted by GOD to understand the Scriptures like Bro. Eli.
If your ideas were correct, we should find contradictions in the Bible. But there is none, if Bro. Eli will be the one to show you.
I remember somewhere in Europe when a certain black guy asked Bro, Eli a series of questions and he was claiming beforehand that he has asked so many pastors and none of them can answer when he is the one asking about the Bible. But after 2 hours of QUESTIONING Bro. Eli, and he was asked, “Are you satisfied brother?”. He then answered with a big smile, “Surprisingly, yes!”.
I suggest to you Judex that you ask Bro. Eli through twitter or his email ad broelisoriano@theoldpath.tv or the best, through livestream so you can try to “ridicule” him with your preconceived thoughts and “facts”.
May the LORD GOD enlighten us all.
Hi Jezreel,
This is the big problem with human languages ! Questioning things and Asking Questions may be or may not be the same thing for 2 persons ! I do a lot of technical lectures, and I can tell how many understand things so differently. Many listen only to what they want and like to hear ! Humans are a lot biased sometimes, thought not always. What I just said ” though not always ” is an example of tricky language. You see what I mean. I did it on purpose.
As I said in previous posts, I know nothing. All I say is what my previous Religious Leaders told me. My human logic only locates contradictions from someone or another, and I ask Questions for better understanding. My human logic also is questionable.
@jez:
You are not asking questions. You are QUESTIONING things
…but is’nt ‘questioning things’ also require asking questions?
I think you’re not aware of what you are doing.
…yep, same thing applies to that particular line above.
Questioning means asking questions when you yourself has another answer in mind.
…there, good point. then why contradict yer previous lines. with or without having another answer in mind, it’s just an opinion. cant you guys answer sensibly without having doubtful thoughts and being uptight? you already gave a good example about the black guy in europe. he too was asking questions, but that does’nt mean he has no other answers in mind. of course he does. he’s just looking for the right answers.
…geez, members of bro eli’s. dont act like religious zealots. those who post here are just letting out opinions, dont be so high strung. but every now and then, atheists and agnostics will pass by this blog. well then dont go all out like you’re in a war. or act again like you all know crap about everything….
@ judex: whatever the case may be, you still have an answer in mind. Asking question and questioning, those are different things, absolutely! If the definition differs between persons, for sure, one or both of them have a problem.
@ juan: you 1st 2 arguments are irrelevant and insensible. Please review. It’s funny.
When you ask questions, you don’t have an answer, of course! When you question, you have an answer by yourself, but you may not speak it out, it’s your choice.
About the black guy, he has another answer in mind, that he doesn’t believe the Bible. He is questioning, not asking questions. Try being John Doe instead of Juan Dela Cruz, maybe we can meet at a common point.
We members do not utter opinions, we have evidences of what we say. You Juan is saying things worse than opinions. What is atheism? Is atheist = intelligent guy? The Bible calls them fools. We members can prove it, don’t worry. Your post is illogical, please review first.
May GOD bless us all.
Judex,
It’s true we are all deficient in enough knowledge but do you believe that God has given you capability of learning and seek the truth. you have plenty of sensible questions, maybe its high-time you ask a more sensible answer from a sensible preacher. try brother Eli the bible will answer certainly.
cheers!
Hi RC,
Yes, I will try to listen what Brother Eli says. I promise. Today the internet connection is slow. I will try again tonight.
Did God give me the capability to learn and seek the Truth ? Well, I should like to have a solid Answer to that Question ! Actually I do not know because why God made so intelligent Men that we call Genius, and why He made Men like floor sweepers whose intelligence compared to the Genius is incomparable. So asking that Question to the floor Sweeper and to the Genius standing side by side, each one will give you a different Answer, I honestly think !
First, if God made People intelligent, why so many degrees of intelligence at so many different regions of this world ? Why that low intelligence in black Africa and why that higher intelligence in Europe and the USA ? Why in a Family the difference in degrees of intelligence ? I am really confused and that is why I always ask Questions.
I suggest Judex that you just ask Bro. Eli so you will not get tired of posting questions. Don’t worry, your questions were answered already by Bro. Eli a long time ago because many people also have such confusions.
That’s what we called balance, I think.
…here’s another example of good viewpoints.
…referring to rc’s post.
no one will accept losing here, so let just see each other on JUDGMENT DAY.
Hi,
Will there be a Judgement Day ?
If a Father lets his Children play with matches, knives, chemicals, etc. and then comes late at night to judge his Children. My Question to that father is : “What the Hell you left behind for your Children. You should have kept the matches, knives, chemicals out of the reach of your Children. How could you judge them after you gave them the possibility to put the house on fire or cut themselves and bleed to death ?”
There’s a judgement day, It’s all over NT.
Judgement is for those who are evil in themselves, not hose just deceived by satan. To give you the analogy, Adam received worse penalty than Eve. Why? Eve was just deceived, while Adam blatantly listened to his wife than to GOD. Eve is forgiven, just taught a lesson. Adam expects unfavorable fate on Judgment Day. But I’m not GOD, so I will not tell what Adam will exactly suffer, I don’t know till that day comes.
There are people who are evil even without the deception of the devil. That’s the reason for Judgment day. GOD knows the heart, so deceived people will not be punished.
Again, better ask Bro. Eli for more clear answers.
haha! good idea!
@Judex:
You ask has the bible been altered over time and the answer is yes. As a matter of fact, the current day KJV bible has only been in existence for 126 years.
· In 1880 the American Bible Society voted remove the “Apocrypha” Books from the King James Version. These 14 Books [There are 155,683 words in over 5,700 verses in 168 Chapters] of the Apocrypha had been part of the King’s bible version since 1611 and had been in use in other bibles since 200BC.
· The “Apocrypha” was officially removed from the English printings of the KJV by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1885 leaving only 66 books.
200BC the Septuagint Greek manuscripts which contain the 39 old testament books and 14 aprocrypha books.
First Century AD the original greek manuscripts which make up the 27 books of the new testament were created.
382AD, Jerome’s Latin Vulgate Manuscripts were produced which contain All 80 Books (39 Old Test. + 14 Apocrypha + 27 New Test).
1535 AD: Myles Coverdale’s Bible; The First Complete Bible printed in the English Language (80 Books: O.T. & N.T. & Apocrypha).
1568 AD: The Bishops Bible Printed; The Bible of which the King James was a Revision (80 Books).
1611 AD: The King James Bible Printed; Originally with All 80 Books. The Apocrypha was Officially Removed in 1885 Leaving Only 66 Books. King James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy. The translation was by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England. Hugh Broughton, the most highly regarded English Hebraist of his time issued in 1611 a total condemnation of the new version, criticizing the translators’ rejection of word-for-word equivalence and stated that “he would rather be torn in pieces by wild horses than that this abominable translation should ever be foisted upon the English people”.
1846 AD: The Illuminated Bible; The Most Lavishly Illustrated Bible printed in America. A King James Version, with All 80 Books.
Up until the 1880’s every Protestant Bible (not just Catholic Bibles) had 80 books, not 66!
The inter-testamental books written hundreds of years before Christ called “The Apocrypha” were part of virtually every printing of the Tyndale-Matthews Bible, the Great Bible, the Bishops Bible, the Protestant Geneva Bible, and the King James Bible until their removal in the 1880’s! The original 1611 King James contained the Apocrypha, and King James threatened anyone who dared to print the Bible without the Apocrypha with heavy fines and a year in jail.
Only for the last 126 years has the current King James Version been in existence and has the Protestant Church rejected these books, and removed them from their Bibles.
So, if you follow the King James version, you’re actually relying on a book that’s only been in existence since 1885 and are disregarding versions that have been around for thousands of years longer. Of course, this IS the one that Eli uses himself so I guess he believes his 1885 version is better than the ones that existed for thousands of years before being edited down to this particular version.
Hi Steve,
Thank you.
Having many different or slightly different Bibles on the market is like having T Shirts with different printings there on.
As you mentioned, there has been a final version that is used by Brother Eli. I appreciate, but still why so many different editions before the final one. In my opinion, the Bible should have been ONE and remains the only ONE since the first ONE was given to Humanity. For example, I appreciate the Ten Commandments that have not changed. Logically, there is nothing to change here. In History, wherever things could be changed, Humans have changed them for their interests.
All the different Editions I read, I appreciated the good things from each one. I also noticed that the Bible contain so many accounts of War, fighting , murder etc. Well, I do not know what to think really !
I have no religion and live a peaceful life. I help those I could. So, I feel ok. Shall I be saved or need more things to be saved ? Is it simply a matter of opinions ? This is also a tricky part of human language in discussion ” it is a matter of opinions “. So, we block the Opponent !
It’s obvious that judex is not here to ask questions. I have so much evidences here. Thank GOD.
I don’t know where you got the idea that Bro. Eli is ONLY relying on the KJV, and disregarding the others. Please research before asserting things.
We always check on the original translations. KJV is most often used as the older versions like the Codex Sinaiticus (a manuscript, preserved at British Lib), the original Hebrew (for OT) and the Greek (for NT) are not common or available to the common people. When there are wrong translations in the KJV, Bro. Eli shows the people the correct using the original languages used. Research is the key.
Having so many translations is not a problem guys. Bro. Eli can easily discern when a certain verse is wrong, because he is GOD-sent. Then he checks with the original and shows the people. That’s very easy for him.
Religion is not the prerequisite to do good, Judex. Please read Romans 2:15. GOD has various ways of salvation, not only religion. It’s lengthy to enumerate here one by one. And what we are saying are, again, not opinions, if you really understand what you are saying and reading on this thread. We have Biblical verses as evidences, with GOD’s help. Opinions are when there are no evidences shown. I hope it’s clear you already, including Juan dela Cruz.
So many religions/sects, so much confusion in the air for me !
In a religion/sect, if I understood well, 144,000 souls will be saved ! I must be making a gross mistake if I misunderstood this. What is the probability that you, Reader, be among those lucky Souls ? If another religion/sect says this is not true, it is something else, then how could I be not confused to the point of becoming crazy ?
So many contradictions in so many religions/sects just prove that we do not know enough. The answers are in the Bible : OK, yes, if you take the Bible as the Housewives take the Metre x 100 cm x 10 mm. No discussion when we agree on a starting point and a status.
Tellm me right or wrong the following :
I do not eat meat because I do not like to kill no animals. Once I asked a Religious Leader why he eats the things that Leviticus, chapter 11, forbids. He told me that since Christ came, He allowed us to eat anything we like ! Hell of Hell !
…what’s wrong with these people. they call non-members, even cynics/those who ask/those who just have different opinions, with harsh words. but when they get a dose of their own crap, they complain and invoke God and blah blah as if only they have the right to call names. bigots.
Hi juan ! Why that hot excitement ?
It is human nature to cluster together. All those who cluster together are called “Members”. The 12 Apostles were Members, weren’t they ? Using human logic or some fallacy in logic, somebody may still argue and is right from his point of view ! This is what we call “It is a matter of opinions !”
Please cite the “harsh” words. I think Juan is just too thin-skinned.
We are taught to use the Biblical language. Those are not harsh, but full of love. 1 Cor. 13:5-6
As I have said in my other posts, we members do not post opinions. We have Bible verses as evidences, plus logic. Opinion is when you post without basis, like what steve is doing when he commented that bro. Eli is only using KJV.
Sure ! If you use Bible Verses as Evidences, you must be right from that angle. I agree.
Others take those Evidences, from another angle.
So, this is what the People here must agree : Different angles means different points of view.
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@jezreel:
Please cite the “harsh” words. I think Juan is just too thin-skinned.
…now you’re asking to cite ‘harsh words’. geez. as if being thin skinned does’nt apply to you.
and i suppose being called ignorant/monkey/hallucinating is’nt harsh just because one is’nt a member of your, uhm, how do i call it, group mentality?
When you ask questions, you don’t have an answer, of course!
…look, just because one is asking questions does’nt mean one does’nt have answers.
When you question, you have an answer by yourself, but you may not speak it out, it’s your choice.
…and these lines soundly contradicted yer own assumption. as for opinion, the word itself is collective. it can both have facts and otherwise.
Try being John Doe instead of Juan Dela Cruz, maybe we can meet at a common point.
…wow, sounds pretty much like an intolerant zealot, does’nt it? regarding atheists, dont bother explaining. i’m not interested anyway. you want others to learn stuff about anything? those who post here are’nt members of your group, they post here not to commit slander as members here often assume. they’re here to learn. dont be arrogant and egoistic when explaining things, just because they’re not with your group. comprende?
@ juan: Please post the evidence that I am thin skinned.
Sorry, but I don’t consider the words you just said as harsh. I’m really sorry. My skin is a bit thick. I’ve been told those words some time, but I always consider people’s right to give out their opinions. No problem with me.
To clarify again what you are pointing out, I’m telling the difference of asking question and questioning. I’ve explained so much so if you don’t get it, we better stop discussing that. I’ll waste much time, you won’t get to understanding.
Tagalog na lang: Iba ang nagtatanong, sa tumatanong. I hope you’re a Tagalog.
Not all who are here wants to learn. I think Juan you are old enough to know the reality in this world. We’re not in a Utopia. People are humans. They have various intentions, some are clearly shown by their words. If you want to learn, then you should know, not all are like you.
Btw, comprende means “includes”, in Spanish. Is that a typo?
@ juan: Please post the evidence that I am thin skinned.
…and do post evidence that i’m thin skinned.
Sorry, but I don’t consider the words you just said as harsh. I’m really sorry. My skin is a bit thick. I’ve been told those words some time, but I always consider people’s right to give out their opinions. No problem with me.
…dont be sorry, coz yer not. you know what blurs/spoils rational discussions? harsh words. whether the giver or receiver is thick skinned or not, calling names are uncalled for.
To clarify again what you are pointing out, I’m telling the difference of asking question and questioning. I’ve explained so much so if you don’t get it, we better stop discussing that. I’ll waste much time, you won’t get to understanding.
…but you do know that applies to you too.
Tagalog na lang: Iba ang nagtatanong, sa tumatanong. I hope you’re a Tagalog.
…natawa ako sa pag differentiate mo nyan. isa lang kase ang punto nyan e: answers. ngayon, kung ta-tratuhin mo ang nagtatanong at tumatanong(awkward talaga ang word na ‘to e para sa akin) na tila may sinister motives and whatnot, e di mapaghinala ka. dapat neutral ka lang, both sides ay maliliwanagan.
Not all who are here wants to learn. I think Juan you are old enough to know the reality in this world. We’re not in a Utopia. People are humans. They have various intentions, some are clearly shown by their words. If you want to learn, then you should know, not all are like you.
dude , all those who post here wants to learn something. be it bashing one’s opinion or sharing it: the poster will learn something. that’s why some ask questions, some tell ideas. coz if one wants to learn, one has to ask questions or post ideas/opinions.
Btw, comprende means “includes”, in Spanish. Is that a typo?
dont rely on google translate, it’s not accurate. try translating ‘titing maliit'( i’m clearly referring to the male RO) in english. note: hindi ito bastusan. just an example how accuracy helps a lot. comprende is italian, which means understand and/or comprehend. go ask bro ely…buendia.
@ juan: please enumerate those “calling names”. what names did they call you? I’m really sorry for you, believe me. if an ignorant person is called ignorant, that’s not harsh, that’s reality! it’s the language of the Bible. I don’t know if you read it.
About tumatanong issue, your logic is flawed. Why? You said “isa lang punto nyan e, answers. In the first place, hindi iyon ang punto. An to correct you, hindi ko tinatrato ang nagtatanong na may sinister motives, kundi yung ibang tumatanong, pero hindi lahat. I don;t know who taught you your logic but I find you really awkward. And i can’t help but laugh when judex is saying amen to you. Please review before posting. Your reasoning is shameful. You have no evidence that I maltreat yung mga nagtatanong.
“the poster will learn something” is different from “wants to learn something”. You can learn even without the “want”, mature people knows that. Your logic is really flawed. I’ve encountered such kind of reasoning from atheists. I’m not sure if you are one, but it’s really the same.
About the last line, i asked if that is a typo. I’m not trying to ridicule you, as I see with the way you answer. I gave you spanish definition, then you should answer “no, I used italian”. That’s a professional way to answer. And I did not try to be accurate, I tried to learn by asking you (take note, nagtanong ako, hindi ako tumanong).
And about bro ely buendia, is he your preacher? I can’t ask him because I don’t know a bro ely buendia. Please let me know him.
@jez:
please enumerate those “calling names”. what names did they call you? I’m really sorry for you, believe me. if an ignorant person is called ignorant, that’s not harsh, that’s reality! it’s the language of the Bible. I don’t know if you read it.
…oh great, now u’r acting like you dont read posts by other people here. that’s the language of the Bible? or is that the language of what you and yer ilk wanted it to be.
About tumatanong issue, your logic is flawed. Why? You said “isa lang punto nyan e, answers. In the first place, hindi iyon ang punto. An to correct you, hindi ko tinatrato ang nagtatanong na may sinister motives, kundi yung ibang tumatanong, pero hindi lahat. I don;t know who taught you your logic but I find you really awkward. And i can’t help but laugh when judex is saying amen to you. Please review before posting. Your reasoning is shameful. You have no evidence that I maltreat yung mga nagtatanong.
…nice, but i got more confused. you would’nt be this defensive/offensive if you did’nt treat every post here as sinister. so stop washing your hands, they’re clean na.
“the poster will learn something” is different from “wants to learn something”. You can learn even without the “want”, mature people knows that. Your logic is really flawed. I’ve encountered such kind of reasoning from atheists. I’m not sure if you are one, but it’s really the same.
…yep, whatever floats yer boat. flawed/shameful? now i see one who has’nt sinned. nah, i’m not an atheist. but everytime i get to interact with religious zealots and bigots like some of the posters here, i always wonder if they’re doing it right.
About the last line, i asked if that is a typo. I’m not trying to ridicule you, as I see with the way you answer. I gave you spanish definition, then you should answer “no, I used italian”. That’s a professional way to answer. And I did not try to be accurate, I tried to learn by asking you (take note, nagtanong ako, hindi ako tumanong).
…and i assume/hope you now know the correct definition of the word comprende. uhm, nope, i’ll answer the way i want to. but that’s a good advice, though it made you sound like a teacher or sumthin’. and dont contradict yerself when you said you’re not trying to be accurate. coz you already know what you were trying to do, and that is to be accurate.
And about bro ely buendia, is he your preacher? I can’t ask him because I don’t know a bro ely buendia. Please let me know him.
…as for EB, dont act like you dont know him. kasi pinoy ka e.
@ Juan: I’ll correct you again.
1. I don’t read all posts in this thread. That’s very true. I don’t have time to read all. I only prioritize posts by atheists, agnostics, and those pretending to ask but rather trying to inject their preconceived ideas in this thread, like Judex.
2. As I see, you haven’t read the Bible so much. Bible uses the words “ulol”, “tanga”, “anak ng impierno”, etc. You can google it if you want.
3. I don’t treat posts by my brethren in faith as sinister. Judex’s, yes; that’s obvious, his motives I say. You’re confused so much Juan.
4. I’m not being accurate. lol. You are accusing me of so many things ever since. lol. I asked about that “comprende” to clarify your point because it’s my first time to encounter the word. In the first place, my definition is not wrong, only not applicable in the sense your pointing out. I can’t help but laugh how you fail to comprehend my posts.
5. I know Eli Buendia, but a Bro Ely Buendia, I’m confirming if such person exists and if he or she is your preacher. I’m not pretending that I don’t know him, but I’m trying to know your religious background. You did not get again my point.
We can talk in Tagalog next time because you did not get a single point I’m trying to present. I think you have a problem in English language comprehension or maybe you are somewhat tired as you are typing. Please be careful next time.
I am fascinated to read so many posts, personal opinions, arguments etc.on this site.
Well, many call themselves “Believers”. So, this is the Answer or the Problem on this site. Reasons : When I look at my car, I do not “Believe” it is my car, but I know for sure it is my car, because it is a solid stuff with which I could travel long distances or I may kill a man with on the road. So, I am not a “Believer”.
The Bible Believers believe in that Book, that Holy Book as it is being called so often. Well, the state of the Mind of different Persons are what it is. You may not change the state of Mind easily. I am sure there are millions who believe and yearn to be among the 144,000 who will be on board, but there will not be enough room for all if ever that event will really happen.
I believe what I read in the Bible. David Killed Goliath. OK, that was then, at that time if it were true, but today, in this modern world, I see so many Goliaths who everyday kill so many Davids.
My post means : See the reality as our Mind sees it, but also it is not a sin to dream of a better life. By the way, will the USA finance collapse this month ? This is the reality. No dream !
I’m not sure of Judex’s nationality, but I don’t have any claim that I’m good in the English language.
I can say, I “believe ” that is my car, judging on its physical form, including the damages and accessories. I believe because I “know” that is my car. “Know” does not contradict “believe”. I know Pluto has moons, that’s why I believe on that fact. I won’t believe if I don’t know that.
Where did you get that “144,000 who will be on board”? Are you a jehova’s witness member? That argument is not Biblical. Innumerable people will be saved (Rev. 7:9)
The reality is that, the Bible is authentic, unlike all other books created by man.
Jezreel.
In my previous posts, I said that I have no religion. So, I am not Jehova Witness. I only heard of the 144,000 Believers. I was always wondering why that number !
If you believe that this is your car, ok. Very good. Me, I do not believe, I simply know for sure that it is my car. Here again, the difficulties of human languages. This is the real problem ! The Person who feels cold in Canada is not meaning the same thing as the Person who feels cold in South Africa. You see the difficulty to mean what we say and to say what we mean ?
There are the following basic categories of people :
1. The Believers.
2. The Non-Believers.
3. Those who are not of the 2 mentioned categories. This means they do not care at all.
4. Those who are not of the 1 and 2 and 3 categories. They care to know. Like ME.
5. Then there are many scenarios resulting from ! The Believers are looking for Heaven. The Non-Believers are more concerned with their earthly problems, empty stomach, shelters etc. You can draw a longer list, can’t you ? Of course, there are many empty stomachs who are looking for Heaven, too.
Again, I am Questioning and Asking Questions (in case these are 2 separate things), why there should be such state of affairs in Human Life ?
Once a Religious Leader told me that it is due to the Original Sin committed by Adam and Eve.
Another Religious Leader once told me that it is a Mystery. Only God knows.
Still another Religious Leader once told me that if he knew, he would have told me.
I think that there is no solid gold answer yet. Simply, Human nature is what it is.
If I have a good, warm bed, a full stomach, I thank God. My next move is to have salvation and go to Heaven.
If I do not have a place to sleep well, empty stomach, my mind is focused on what tomorrow will bring again ? Salvation and going to Heaven is secondary, or not considered at all.
The Human Mind is fascinating to study, I think. Any argument is from Experience, Expectation and the Good Things it might brings. In the back chamber of our Mind, we may have the feeling that it might not be what we think of, but we choose to keep hanging to a Hope, an Expectation.
The reality is that, the Bible is authentic, unlike all other books created by man.
…geez, now that’s just egotistically pretentious. ‘all other books created by man’? really? i liked your post above but was dismayed when that line came up. i might have agreed if you added ‘but not all books’. think about this: do you really believe that the books you read when you where in elementary up to high school we’rent authentic? have you read joseph joffo’s a bag of marbles? it’s an account of his adventures and trials as a jew during nazi germany. are you saying that was’nt authentic? dont be silly.
Hi Judex,
Just want to correct you first, not all who do not have s place to sleep well and has an empty stomach, has a mind focused on what tomorrow will bring. In the Church where I belong, there are a lot of people who have nothing in life, as in nothing, and the Scriptures also tell of people as so. But their priority in life is not eating and sleeping in a nice bed, but rather, salvation. Aside from this, maybe you know the story of Lazarus in the Bible.
My belief is not from just a mere hope without basis. I’m sure, all that I understand that Bro. Eli taught us, with GOD’s help, are all true, without a shadow of a doubt. That’s why I suggest you ask directly Bro. Eli. As I understand you, you are making things too complex. I was like you before. I even read all kinds of books containing mysteries of mind, space and time (maybe you know it). But now, all are clear to me, thanks be to GOD and Bro. Eli.
@ juan: you are the one silly. A lot of things we learned back in elementary are negated by our learnings when we reached tertiary level. Even science knowledge of today are superseded after some time. And the historical book you are saying, I’m sure, there can be flaws in that writing, when you read it carefully again. And citing of writer’s opinion cannot be avoided, which loses it’s authenticity on those parts.
To simplify for you, not all written in all books are correct with respect to the writer’s intention, but the Bible is otherwise. All that you can read wherein GOD is the speaker are all absolute truths! Of course, when a human is the speaker, you can find flaws, but still, with proper analysis, the intention of the Bible is still achieved. Take that from a silly person.
@ juan: you are the one silly. A lot of things we learned back in elementary are negated by our learnings when we reached tertiary level. Even science knowledge of today are superseded after some time. And the historical book you are saying, I’m sure, there can be flaws in that writing, when you read it carefully again. And citing of writer’s opinion cannot be avoided, which loses it’s authenticity on those parts.
….good point exactly. but not all are negated as we reach tertiary. most corroborates what was stated in our past books. otherwise, what they teach in the present are rubbish, right? that’s the way history works. some will fit, some wont.
To simplify for you, not all written in all books are correct with respect to the writer’s intention, but the Bible is otherwise. All that you can read wherein GOD is the speaker are all absolute truths! Of course, when a human is the speaker, you can find flaws, but still, with proper analysis, the intention of the Bible is still achieved. Take that from a silly person.
i like this post. it’s pretty clear, actually. see what rational words can do? but yes, it was silly of you to say that all books are not authentic. some are books are definitely crappy, while some are as good as it gets, whether it’s about religious stuff or otherwise.
@ juan: Some readers may already be laughing at us about the “authenticity” issue, because it doesn’t seem like a big deal as related to the main topic, which is the blog.
To end for you, please cite the “most authentic book” you know. Please. (.^_^.)
@jez:
The reality is that, the Bible is authentic, unlike all other books created by man….
…because it doesn’t seem like a big deal as related to the main topic, which is the blog.
…so talking about the Bible is’nt a big deal? .
@ Juan: Sorry, but it seems you were not in good mental condition while answering my posts.
I did not say “the Bible is not a big deal”. The word “it” refers to the “authenticity issue”, which I refer to as not a big deal. You can always ask an English teacher to check the grammatical construction, if it’s difficult for you to understand the simple sentence I typed. “It” is a pronoun.
May GOD enlighten your mind.
I am more and more fascinated, Guys !
Here is a rocket for you, not a terrorist rocket !
What has happened when an innocent baby is born crippled and will remain crippled all his life ?
An innocent Somebody is standing on the bus stop and a car comes and bumps into him. He is crippled all his life.
Is there a modern Prophet to give back a solid gold health to those people ? Those People do not need to hear the Bible Verses, but need good Health to continue living without too much discouragement ?
This earthly life is so complicated, and we can try a little mathematical thinking and apply the probability as follows :
A Scenario as an example of the reaction of starving People : Thousands of People are starving to death. The United Nations decide that we should do something to relieve the misery of those People. The Chinese President says : “OK, I will parachute 3,000,000 large bowls with plain white rice”. The US President says : “OK, I will parachute 3,000,000 Bibles to those People !” Well, to which parachuted stuff will the starving People rush to, the Bowls containing plain white rice or the Bibles ?
This post is to say “See the reality of this life”. In my opinion, most People who go to bed with a full stomach love the Bible. Those with an empty stomach curse Heaven and Hell together !
In this world today, we badly need some good modern Prophets to multiply breads and fishes on the mountains, in the fields and on the beaches alike.
@ judex: your statistics is somewhat wrong. Not most people who go to bed with full stomach love the Bible. Catholics and atheists don’t love it, and they combined can comprise that “most”.
As I see, you have an earthly view as the majority of people in the world. You may speak of probability but you present it like having no proper observation. You are really “hiding” with your so-called “asking questions”. That was also emphasized by your last question.
For those who understand, food is not everything on earth.
Jezreel.
YES, Foods mean a lot in this world ! Ask the starving countries.
Those who eat everyday, do not always realize the value of foods. I traveled many countries, and was always curious to look into all the things before my eyes. I really scanned whatever I see. Do you know how much good foods are thrown into the bins everyday in Europe and the USA, for example ? Those people do not know the value of foods.
If you are parachuted into a starving country, you will think differently. OK, just imagine you are among those black people without foods and flies are landing on your face every moment of the day.
Many previous Religious Leaders answered me : “It is God’s will !” LOL.
For those who understand, food is not everything on earth.
…sadly this line is’nt true. i thought you said earlier that this is reality. that this in’t utopia, where everything is alright. that people are humans….most people are starving. the best way to help them is to give food, then give them the Bible.
@ juan: giving a job is better than giving food. if you’re a filipino, you’ll understand. both you and judex show gross ignorance of the Bible. I suggest you slow down before jumping into conclusions. Before I became a member of the Church of GOD, i had the same views as both of you.
@ judex: i said “food is not everything on earth”. It’s different from “Foods mean a lot in this world”. If you believe the Bible, perhaps you know the story of Lazarus, who died of hunger.
I don’t need to be in a starving country to realize the pain of starving. We members of the Church of GOD all experienced how to starve. It may not be as long as how long the “starving countries” have endured, but surely enough to understand them.
It’s really obvious judex that you’re not here to ask questions but to spread virus. I strongly suggest that you talk with Bro. Eli for clearer answers. Take note, he is not like all the other religious leaders you met before, so avoid jumping into conclusions.
@jez:
giving a job is better than giving food
…give them food first them let them work. coz you know very well you cant work right with an empty stomach.
@ juan: I said “giving a job is better” not “giving a job must be first”. Those are different thoughts, obviously.
Think before you post, and always argue with logic.
It’s good for that person. He will have a higher chance of salvation than normal persons like us. Mat. 18:8, Lev. 19:14, Jn. 9:3
And if we do good to them, our own chance of salvation will dramatically increase! Luc. 14:13; James 2:13
A modern “prophet” who can heal is not necessary. He needs the verses more than good health, to fight discouragement, which will only take its place due to the ignorance of GOD’s wisdom in creating the blind, deaf and crippled.
To GOD be the glory!
Jezreel,
Yes, it appears that God created the blind, the deaf, the cripples, the very rich, the poor, the different Governments of the countries, the Greece Government etc., the happy people, the sad people, the tsunami etc.
If we agree on such thing, it must be right, but Why ?
Judex, I answered your Q’s already. kindly read and comprehend again.
It’s all part of the widespread plan of salvation of GOD.
I do some Computer programming. There is something that we call a LOOP. This loop always go back to a small computer programme that we call a MODULE. That loop will go back to that Module till an answer is inputted, for example YES / NO, that is YES or No..
I have a loop as follows :
1. Can Satan create things in this world ? YES / NO.
2. Did God create Satan ? YES / NO.
3. Can God stop Satan from doing the bad things in case the answer is YES in (1) above ? YES / NO.
4. If God cannot stop Satan from doing the bad things, why ?
5 Does God prefer that the innocent Children suffer under a Terrorist hands rather than stopping that Terrorist as that Woman that turned into a salt Statue in that story ?
Is my Human Thinking too inefficient to think ? Why ?
My curiosity makes me question things, but I am not against the beliefs of others. When I ask why and get an answer that makes sense, I’ll be happy. If the answer is vague or I have to refer to certain verses because those verses are there, I may continue looping as a computer because my human mind is of this world, of this physical plane, and I cannot possibly jump to a higher level. The Answers to Questions are also of this world, of this physical plane, and nobody can answer by jumping to a higher level. Can anybody demonstrate that he can jump to a higher level as in the sporting activities ?
So, if we sort out things logically, we understand that there will always be a looping, unless we agree that the Bible is what we have to use as true, It is then a matter of opinions.
One thing that is not acceptable is to call Somebody the “Enemy of the Truth” ! He must be called, maybe, a non-Believer of what is written in the Bible. He may believe later on !
I am not very good at History. Did the Bible come at the time when the Greek Philosophers started to reason things out ? Prior to that time, was the Bible only from mouth to ear ?
By the way, I love “Proverbs” in the Bible for the good advice. The advice is very similar to Siracides Book that is not included in the Bible today. Did some clever Guy copy and improvise from “Proverbs” and make it his own as titled “Siracides” or whatever ?
Anyway, the Bible is a beautiful Book, including its accounts of wars, Fighting, Murders, good advice etc. In the end of our discussions, we will reach a point where we will be breathless and back to square one !
The summary of the whole Scriptures is Love.
Anyway Judex, I think you will just waste much time in what you are doing. You might already be lying on an emergency room and you haven’t found your “answers”, may GOD not let that happen.
I suggest that you ask Bro. Eli directly. All your questions were already answered by him, with GOD’s help, a long time ago, in his Bible expositions and our gatherings. As I see with the construction of your questions, you’re somewhat confused. But thank GOD, it’s all clear in our minds, us members of the Church of GOD.
If you are REALLY asking questions, meaning you don’t know the answer and interested to know, I strongly suggest, ask directly the ONLY sensible preacher of our time. His answer is more official.
@bambi:
and yer still at it too, with proverbs to boot, huh. geez.
Being called ignorant is different from being called DUMBASS and MORON
…we’re talking about ‘harsh’ words, not ‘differences’. dont pretend like you dont know what i meant. as if being called ignorant/monkey et al is’nt degrading/harsh enough. but i would’nt have typed moron/dumbass if i wasnt referred to as ‘ignorant’ to begin with. is that how you run things in yer group? you, call non-members ignorant because they dont think like you?
I did not assume. The words that come out in you invites discord.
…but you already did assume, that’s why you wished God will rebuke me. geez, I WOULD’NT EVEN WISH YOU ILL. how’s that for fair play?
I did not assume. The words that come out in you invites discord.
… discord? i always thought you guys are presumptuous, i knew it.
@Judex who said:
“This earthly life is so complicated, and we can try a little mathematical thinking”
I think I should warn you. Even though the article on this page is titled “Learn A Little Mathematics” I can assure you that Eli doesn’t like math. Especially when the math provided to him shows conclusive evidence that he is wrong. Believe me, I’ve submitted it 3 or 4 times and they won’t post it here. I can only assume that they really don’t like “mathematical thinking”.
Thank you, Steve.
So, the Title should not be “Lear a little Mathematics”.
Everything is or part of Maths. Everything has many or some of the following :
Volume,
Weight
Speed
Different forms/geometry.
and more. So, I think mathematically. I cannot this differently.
Hi Jezreel,
I am not in an Emergency Room”, but I am in an “Emergency World” , including you !
People who cannot see that the World is in double dipping problems, simply do not want to see.
Why the Pentagone, 10 Downing Street, and the others do not call for solutions from the true Religious Leader(s) ?
@ judex: How do you define emergency world? I don’t know that I’m there.
About pentagone, ask them, not me. Are they authorities, that if they don’t ask, then you don’t have to ask? can’t get your logic.
Hi Jezreel,
Ref. The Judgement Day.
In the beginning there was God.
Where all the mess comes from ?
Because God created Man with a free mind and Man created the mess ?
Why that bad part in the mind of the created man ?
OK, it’s Lucifer who convinced Man !
Who created Lucifer ?
Why that bad part in the created Lucifer ?
You see, we always loop back, and nobody can answer really with sound proof.
@ judex: I told you so many times that I suggest you ask Bro. Eli to have very clear answer. We can answer you but it’s better to ask him.
Don’t say “we always loop back”. It’s only you who’s looping back. And don’t say that “nobody can answer really with sound proof”. You haven’t tried Bro. Eli.
Don’t jump to conclusions judex because you still lack research.
Hi Jereel,
You see, I really do not know ! You just taught me that Catholics do not love the Bible !
You know People who cannot read also do not know what to do with a Bible !
And also those who are lazy, they do not want to read the Bible !
@ judex: it doesn’t matter if illiterate do not know what to do with Bible. Not all who will be saved have read the Bible. About the lazy, it’s their loss, don’t worry about them.
Let us be honest ! Let us be honest ! Let us be honest and logical !
What is the Ratio in numbers of the Religious Leaders in Europe and the USA compared to the number of Religious Leaders in starving Countries where no foods and plenty of Flies landing on your face every moment of the day ?
The European and American Medical People are much better than the Religious Leaders because they try desperately to relieve the sufferings there !
Pack all the European and American and other True Religious Leaders and send them there !
@ judex: so i think no one will contradict me now when i said that judex is not here to ask question but to question (tumatanong, hindi nagtatanong).
I believe you are being honest and logical in your self. But I suggest you try to know first the logic of the Bible, then all your “questions” will be answered through the instrumentation of Bro. Eli.
You are correct that medical people are much better than the FALSE religious leaders in Europe and America. Because if your try to understand the Bible, there is no true religion that will be born in the West. What you said is precise.
I can say judex, if those starving people will understand GOD’s intention for mankind after hearing the preaching of Bro. Eli, they will not value food more than their soul (i’m not saying they do so). With GOD’s mercy, their eyes will be opened, and understand the point of Matthew 6:33. Food, shelter and clothing are just “additions” to what people really need in this world.
Again, as I have said in another post, don’t get us wrong that we don’t know how to starve and you claim that you know. I’m sure, we know more than you. FYI: Bro. Eli is now in a country that’s starving more than the Filipinos under the poverty line, and he is also starving with them. My evidence: go see his face and body built, and compare it two or more years ago. just a suggestion.
May GOD enlighten us all.
Just found this site…very interesting indeed; been reading the posts for sometime now, and it was very nice you noticed that (with judex)..no offense meant to judex and to you juan; you guys are not here to “search” or whatever you guys are here for…you are just looking for justification for your thinking…. but most probably blurring the truth..that they themselves cant accept..im not a member of ADD but the only logical explanation why these kind of people are her..they are just trolling around..silly and ignorant…(asking for answers to their questions, and when they get it,,they cant accept it)
Hi Ghost,
Welcome to the discussion. It is important to be very neutral in our human thinking.
1. I have always wondered why Animals were/are sacrificed to God. WHY ? I do not believe that God needs animals blood and meat.
2. If God created Lucifer, God created an imperfect Angel. What is your opinion ?
3. Why God let them cut the head of John the Baptist.
4. Why Jesus had to die on the cross for our sins that originated from Lucifer, the imperfect Angel created by God ?
There are many more tricky questions all ove the Bible.
It might be that our human thinking is too weak to understand the Truth.
@ judex: Bro Eli understands the Bible, so maybe his thinking is really not human, using your reasoning.
Again, I suggest Judex that you talk directly to Bro. Eli as you are wasting the last days of your life wandering on your not so tricky questions. The answer is not far away.
Jezz, thank you for your invitation for me to talk directly to Brother Eli. Well, it will be more beneficial that all Answers are published here for other Readers to learn, too.
In the past, many Religious Leaders always asked me to see them after the Class. They never replied in front of all the People present. This is the reason why i feel all Answers must be published for all Readers to read here.
Don’t you think that the other Readers would like to learn, too ? So, all who could answer, please answer here for others to learn..
You’re obviously confused Mr. Judex. Bro Eli always answer live in front of the camera. Posting here will benefit so few people, while asking directly to Bro Eli will benefit the whole world as his broadcasts are live and not less than 1000 people are listening in various parts of the world. Never will it happen like what you tell of the religious leaders/businessmen/syndicate leaders you have talked to. This blogsite is so limited to us reading here.
Nothing to worry as Bro Eli is the only preacher in the world who answers questions live and he is not tiring even if the same questions, like yours, are being asked all over again. No reason to compare him to the fake pastors you have talked to.
Ghost, the Moderator did not accept my post a couple of days ago. So, I am trying to reply in a different way.
Am I confused ? Am I confused if I ask who created so many imperfections in this world ? That beautiful Angel called Lucifer who is definetely imperfect. Who created Lucifer ?
This is a mathematical thinking that simply loops back again and again. God created everything.
In In my opinion there are other things that we simply do not see, and consequently do not know. I am not Somebody to refer to Verses in a Book and believe it is true. Of course it is true in a context that the Writer(s) wanted to put forward at a certain time in history.
Still my Question is ” Who created Sin directly or indirectly through Lucifer ?” “Who created Lucifer ?”
Please answer honestly.
@ judex: You are absolutely confused. Obviously, you don’t believe the Bible and you are injecting virus in this thread.
I told you many times to ask Bro. Eli directly so you get the best answers. We members of the Church can answer you but it is best that Bro Eli will answer you as he has good way of explaining.
FYI, we don’t believe the Bible because it only “seems” true to us. With all evidences put down on the table, it sure is true, archeologically, scientifically, historically and logically.
Although I must admit, I believe the Bible not because of those human fields of study. They are just my secondary proofs. And I think it is ridiculous to believe the Bible because of those; that’s shallow-mindedness or gross stupidity, as I can call it..
I believe the Bible because of the great values taught by it, greater than what siddharta gautama or confusedcius teach. I may not understand everything, but that is not necessary. I understand enough to say that all those written are facts, in a scientific way.
Jezz, as I wrote before, I believe the Bible has been tampered by Man. If Moses did not break the Tablet, today we all would have queued up to see it. Apparently, the Tabernacle is safely guarded in Ethiopia as some People say, but we are not allowed to see it, why ? Archeology proves what People did and believed during their times. This is true only according to their beliefs during their times. Obviously, today, we learn about them how they were. Part of their beliefs are true up to today. A lot of their beliefs are not true as we find today. In fact, there are many things that remain questionable.
GOD is not stupid that HE will let HIS Words be tampered by man. Whatever happened in the history of Bible translation, we still have the original Hebrew (OT) and Greek / Aramaic (NT) so nothing to worry. Also, GOD always sends a messenger like prophets in order to understand HIS commandments, whatever tampering is done by catholic priests. Of course, not everyone will understand HIS Words, so comes the necessity of prophets and preachers.
About the tablet, as I remember, it was broken but then written again. Also, they only contain ten commandments, so what’s the problem if they were broken? Did Moses “tampered” everything by breaking them? Your interpretation of things are so materialistic and underestimating the power of GOD. Isa 43:13
After you ask Bro Eli, I assure you, with GOD’s help, your views will turn upside down.
I can’t understand why atheists have that too shallow thinking that they don’t get Judex’s intentions here.
@Jezreel B. Magbanua who said:
“I don’t know where you got the idea that Bro. Eli is ONLY relying on the KJV, and disregarding the others. Please research before asserting things.”
Nowhere did I say, as you accuse, that “Eli is ONLY relying on the KJV”. My statement was “this IS the one the Eli uses himself”
If you read his article on this page he quotes 8 verses that are exact quotes taken from the King James version. The bible he gives visitors to his church is the KJV and, when asked what bible they use, they state “We use King James version for English language version”. Since Eli quotes from it constantly and since the church itself gives away only the KJV as its English version and since the church stated in writing “we use King James version” then obviously the KJV is the official bible of your church!
@Jezreel B. Magbanua who said:
“KJV is most often used as the older versions like the Codex Sinaiticus (a manuscript, preserved at British Lib), the original Hebrew (for OT) and the Greek (for NT) are not common or available to the common people.”
That statement is absolutely NOT TRUE. .If you would actually like a copy a copy of the Codex Sinaiticus, I can go online and purchase it from a number of different sources. I’ll be happy to take your money and get you a copy if you would like.
@Jezreel B. Magbanua who said:
As I have said in my other posts, we members do not post opinions. We have Bible verses as evidences, plus logic. Opinion is when you post without basis, like what steve is doing when he commented that bro. Eli is only using KJV.
You state “we members do not post opinions”
That’s a very all encompassing statement isn’t it? Why don’t I give you just a couple of examples of members posting opinions. I’ve already shown you where you yourself expressed an opinion and thought you might like to see a couple of other examples too. Look at a post made by member Ryan on the page titled “A Biblically Smart Answer to an Impertinently Stupid Question Part 1″. It’s 10 paragraphs long and at the bottom he says “thats about it. I just want to share my opinion.” Example 2: This statement appears on the “God’s Power is the Missing Link” article and is an obvious opinion stating “atheists do not understand idiomatic expressions and figurative language” Guess what, that was not only an opinion but was, in fact, an opinion that you yourself posted. Obviously, members including you, DO post opinions.
You state “Opinion is when you post without basis.”
I agree with you here. After all, you have shown yourself to be quite an expert on how best to “post without basis”
I am curious to know something about the Idiomatic expressions and figurative languages.
Why not direct clear language ? If the People were not educated enough to understand direct and clear language, why God did not give them that intelligence to understand direct and clear language.
Why Logic evolved rather than be inherent in every Baby ? Language could be tricky. I give an example as follows :
***At less than 2 metres from boundary line ******* What you understand from that statement ?
The words “”””From boundary line”””” gives you a mental image that we are moving AWAY from the boundary line, but in fact the words “”””LESS THAN “”””” means we can stay on the boundary line !
Isn’t it like a game ?
Mark 4:11-12 >> … but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Mat. 7:6 >> Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.
Dan. 12:10 >> … and non of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
The example you’ve given “At less than 2 metres from boundary line” is not tricky. GOD blessed me to be an engineer, so for me it’s not tricky.
It is best to ask Bro. Eli so you can have clearer answers, so you will not spend much time in this thread because I’m not good in explaining.
may GOD bless you
@ steve: you are very illogical! very unscientific way of reasoning! KJV is not the official Bible of MCGI. That’s very funny. Methodists have the same way of thinking.
KJV is used most of the time because it is more available compared to the original Hebrew for OT and original Greek and Aramaic for NT. Or maybe if you can lend us money to buy the manuscripts and make copies, we might consider that as official. lol
I don’t have money. MCGI has a majority of members very poor. If you can have us print Codex Sinaiticus, we will be very grateful, I’m serious. As I know, Codex Sinaiticus is in the British Library now, and because of age, very fragile. Maybe you have a technology to make many copies.
“atheists do not understand idiomatic expressions and figurative language” >. hey, this is a fact! Check the posts of the atheists. Or I suggest, you show an instance wherein a figurative language was used in the Bible and an atheist understood it. Atheists accuse us of twisting things when we explain figurative language being used in certain verses, like the lion eating grass in Isaiah (funny when I remember the atheist pointing this out about evo).
Anyway steve, you posted a lot of evidences on the KJV issue although you interpreted them wrong. You can ask ALL members of MCGI and check out through survey the official Bible we use. You will be surprised with the answer.
Don’t jump into conclusion when you yourself is not a member of MCGI then you will argue about our official Bible. Are you better than the members in knowing what is official? Your acting stupidly. Think before you post because you sound funny.
@Jezreel B. Magbanua who said on July 19, 2011 at 10:42 am:
“If your ideas were correct, we should find contradictions in the Bible. But there is none”
How many contradictions would you like for me to list for you?
Here are just a few:
1. Either man has seen God face to face or he hasn’t.
Genesis 32:30 says: “And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Yet, John 1:18 states: ” No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
2. Either you pay the price for your father’s misdeeds or you don’t.
Ezekiel 18:20 says: “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.”
Yet Exodus 20:5 states: “I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.”
3. Either God resides in temples or he doesn’t.
2 Chron 7:16 says: “For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.”
Yet Acts 7:48 says: “Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet.”
4. God either gets tired or he doesn’t.
Ex 31:17 says: “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”
Yet, Is 40:28 states: “Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.”
5. Either God’s anger lasts a long time or it doesn’t.
Jer 17:4 says: “And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.”
Yet Psalm 30:5 states: “For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.”
That’s just 5 examples of contradictions. There are many, many more.
@Jezreel B. Magbanua who said on July 19, 2011 at 10:42 am:
“If your ideas were correct, we should find contradictions in the Bible. But there is none”
I’m sorry Jezreel but after posting exact verses showing contradictions the site administrator deleted the post.
Just like they deleted the post containing actual mathematical evidence proving that Eli isn’t the most slandered person in the history of christianity.
It isn’t the first time that posts which contain truth and verifiable facts have been deleted and I’m sure it won’t be the last time.
I’ll be surprised if this post isn’t also deleted.
Proverbs 11:1 says “A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.” .
The site moderator better hope there’s no such thing as God because if there is…………….he’s going to have a hard time explaining why he repeatedly chose to keep truth hidden.
Jezreel,
If the Religious could bring a solution to today’s world, all the Governments would have called them. This is the logic. Otherwise, if the Religious Leaders could bring solutions (not hope and promises), they could have offered their help.
Why Religious Leaders do not write an article or articles showing how to solve the world’s problems ?
Really, we need solutions, no hope and promises.
Don’t you see that we are all in an ermergency world ?
I pity you Judex. You are still among those deceived.
The religious leaders you are pertaining to are false preachers. How can they give solution?
I strongly suggest that you watch UNTV 37 or The Old Path channel. The “solutions” you are looking for are all there.
@jezreel:
…You are still among those deceived.
and you’re not? you really believe you’ll be alright when the time comes? NO GROUP OR RELIGION HAS THE MONOPOLY ON SALVATION. dont act so clean.
@ realidad? Are you in your right self? Who among us said here that we have the monopoly in salvation? Where did you get that?
Bro. Eli even made an article on “Salvation outside the Church”.
Am I acting so clean? I said that Judex is deceived. Is that acting clean? From what planet did you came from and you just popped out from the confusion of nowhere?
Compose yourself, please.
Jezreel,
On this site there are arguments and counter arguments. Obviously, everybody is right from his or her point of view. Well, tell me why :
1. God had to test Abraham sincerity or whatever by asking him to sacrifice Isaac ?
O.K., No matter what is the answer !
2. God sent an Angel to stop Abraham from sacrificing (killing) Isaac.
I think that was enough !
Why killed (sacrificed) that poor Animal stuck in some bushes ? Did God really need some Blood at that particular moment ?. Why that bloody demand ?
Bro Eli is always ready to answer you. We have Bible expositions in the Philippines every first and last Friday of the month.
Kindly look for ADD coordinating centers near your place. Btw, whee do you live Judex?
If I will explain, you will not be convinced because I’m not good in explaining. It is best to ask the ONLY sensible preacher of our time. Don’t worry, your questions are not difficult to answer; you’re just confused.
You are right, Steve ! There are plenty of contradictions.
This is why I am always questionning things !
There are ZERO contradictions in the Bible. Contradictions are on the mind of the readers having “illegal” motives.
If you ask all your contradictions to Bro. Eli, it will all be cleared out in your mind.
May GOD enlighten us all.
When Abraham was stopped from sacrificing Isaac, what happened then ?
Abraham was asked to scrifice that poor animal.
Why blood was needed to conclude the test of God to make sure Abraham was sincere to God ? Abraham got the answer himself and knew he was sincere to God. OK OK OK.
What that poor Animal had to do in that Test of God over Abraham Sincerity to God ?
As I see, Judex is already old in age but he is acting like a child in continuing posting questions here. I have advised that he instead ask directly Bro. Eli so he can have better, clearer answers. But I don’t understand why he is carelessly acting like that.
What is clear is that Judex is just confused. I hope that he will follow my advice. His questions are not difficult to answer, esp. when he asks Bro. Eli.
@ steve: Your posts did not contain TRUTH nor VERIFIABLE FACTS. Don’t blame the moderator because you don’t know exactly what happened in the approval process. That’s an unscientific way of thinking.
1. Either man has seen God face to face or he hasn’t. >> Acts 7:30, 35, 38, 53; Mat. 17:5-7
The “God” talking to the fathers is actually an angel, as explained by Saint Stephen. As proof in the account in the gospel accdg to Matthew, human flesh cannot bear the power of GOD, so a cloud covered before HE spoke, and still the power of HIS voice is so great, it can cause annihilation of flesh without the filter (cloud, in this instance).
2. Either you pay the price for your father’s misdeeds or you don’t. >> You posted wrong in Exodus 20:5. It says “… unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me”. If the succeeding generations hate GOD, they will suffer punishment. If not, they don’t have to pay the price of their father’s misdeeds, as said in Ezekiel 18:20.
3. Either God resides in temples or he doesn’t. >> This one shows Steve’s gross carelessness and irrationality. Chronicles is mentioning HIS Name, Eyes and Heart to be in HIS house. Acts is explaining that GOD himself, HIS Being, won’t dwell in man-made temples. As additional info, Proverbs 15:3 says “The Eyes of the LORD are in every place…”
4. God either gets tired or he doesn’t. >> Whenever you read the Bible, when the speaker is GOD Himself, that is an absolute truth. When a person sent by GOD speaks, it is also truth, but not as absolute as GOD’s. In Exodus, GOD said HE rested, but HE did not say HE got tired. I can rest even if I’m not tired. Stopping on work is also resting, even if you can still work. In Isaiah, a human is speaking. If you the succeeding verses, he is comparing human ability with GOD’s. As a comparison, GOD is not tiring like us humans.
The absolute truth is, GOD gets tired. Isa. 1:14 >> … I am weary to bear them…
GOD Himself said this.
5. Either God’s anger lasts a long time or it doesn’t. >> In Jeremiah, HIS anger will burn forever, if Judah will not turn away from it’s sins. The fact that GOD forgives, HIS anger will not remain, if a human will turn to doing good.
I suggest to you Steve that you just contact Bro. Eli and try to ridicule him with your VERIFIABLE FACTS. You can email him at broelisoriano@theoldpath.tv or try our websites: mcgi.org, theoldpath.tv, other links are in those sites. Also, we have schedules in livestream.com where people ask him live in Bible expositions.
If you find one of our coordinating centers in your area, yo ucan aks for the schedule when you can talk to Bro. Eli. He’s way better in explaining and he can clarify your “contradictions”, or confusions. Don’t worry, he answers all emails. And he is the only preacher in the world whom you can ask questions face-to-face, or even challenge to a debate.
May GOD bless you
@ Jezreel B. Magbanua
I quoted Genesis 32:30 and you chose to respond about angels in Mat and Acts. Where’s the response to Jacob saying “I Have Seen God Face to Face”??
@ Steve: I did not choose to respond on those verses. If you have good reading comprehension, I referred to those verses which explain what Jacob has said. Jacob actually talked to an angel, not to GOD. The verses explain that clearly.
Jacob called it GOD. Jacob is human, so he will not discern the difference in talking to GOD and an angel. Flesh cannot be face to face with GOD, as it will be annihilated. Please read again the verses.
Please try to comprehend correctly.
Hi Jezreel,
I did not receive an answer why Abraham had to kill that poor Animal instead of his Son.
Why Animals were sacrificed to God ?
I believe that God did not need the blood of those Animals ! Probably, It was the Religious Leaders of that time who decided that Animals had to be sacrificed to God. The purpose was social. The Animals meet was distributed to the poor. Is there other reasons ?
It was one of the most memorable topic we had in our Thanksgiving.
I believe we don’d have the privilege to share YET the reason why…
We are just careful.
God bless
@ judex: what do you mean by “I did not receive an answer why Abraham had to kill that poor Animal instead of his Son”? Have you emailed or tweeted Bro. Eli already?
Hi Jezreel,
Many may think that I am here to disturb their beliefs. We all have 2 ways : One way is to believe and not to change, and the other one way is to think and change if needs be.
I ask question about things that do not appear clear to me such as why Animals had to be sacrificed to God. I do not believe that God needed Animals Sacrifices ! I rather believe that it was a Social Matter because the Animals meat was offered to the Community. Many would not have sacrificed their Animals if they were told it was for sharing among the Community.
For example, Christ said ” Sell all your Belongings and give to the Poor, and follow me”. On the car parking of the churches, temples etc. there are so nice cars that could be sold in favour of the Poor. Who will sell his nice big car and buy a smaller one or a bike, and give money to the Poor ? Here I am talking in a general way to all those believing and preaching the Good News, but do not sell their belongings and give to the Poor. OK, a strict minimum of belongings must be keep, but what about the surplus ?
First of all, Religious Leaders should start with good examples.
From my post, please read ” The Animals meat was distributed to the poor. Is there other reasons ? “
@ Judex,
I admire you for your intellectual reasoning. Hopefully, God will give you wisdom to understand Him.
I think Animal suffer when you kill them ! I am a vegetarian. I would never kill an Animal to offer as Sacrifice to no one !
If I mistake not, there are certain People who offer Fruits to God. This I accept to do and I would add some Flowers, too.
I chose not to offer no Sacrifice whatsoever, but live a good life : NOT hurting People and Animals.
Hi bro Eli, about “..Adam and Eve, and eight souls that were left alive after the “global flood”!”? i was watching u in Revelation QnA in YouTube, i read a comment of that video about that line in ur blog, global flood, i thot i heard u on that vid that it wasnt actually a global flood. When i read the comment that u wrote GLOBAL FLOOD in ur blog, i searched for it to see if u did, and it is there.
All the volume of water in the world today cannot physically reach the height of the Mount Ararat, unless it was not a Mountain but a heap of land/earth !
gabriel gutierrez,
Please refer to The Truth about Noah and the Worldwide Flood. It is clearly explained here.
http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/05/30/the-truth-about-noah-and-the-worldwide-flood/
Such an eye-opener. May this article awaken those who still believe in the erroneous teachings of Catholicism.
Mathematics in the Bible is so amazing and very accurate than the mathematics of men. TO GOD BE THE GLORY
Thanks be to God! Its very interesting topics that bro. Eli discuss.. I have learn a lot. Exposed catholic doctrine not base the Bible
No matter what they say against bro Eli, they are in any manner, will not afford to refute his teachings from the Bible. Sagana lang sa daldal at ngakngak na walang katuturan. Matatapang pa sa mga lider nila.
I am amazed by how Bro. Eli explains wisdom in detail! Thanks be to GOD!!!
Right! research the truth in the Bible, read and again and again
Walang MALI ang hindi mahahayag! Kung may duda ka? Itanong Mo Kay Soriano, Biblia ang Sasagot!
To God be the glory!